Help is needed (especially from our Israeli friends)

#1
Few minutes ago a chief editor of Radio 'Echo of Moscow' (a liberal pro-Western Radio that I adore) sounded my question that was sent via internet:

Do you know about even one terror act committed by Hezbollah recent 10 years?

Mr.Venedictov (chief editor) sharp-minded, very intelligent person (former school teacher and Jewish btw) answered that 'if I use internet then I should find it myself' and that 'I have an abberation of conscience'. Maybe but... do you know an answer to my question?
 
#2
Not wishing to make Mora's points for her, but surely indiscriminate rocket attacks on non-military targets counts as terrorism? To argue otherwise just seems like playing with semantics to me.
 
#3
Yellow_Devil said:
Not wishing to make Mora's points for her, but surely indiscriminate rocket attacks on non-military targets counts as terrorism? To argue otherwise just seems like playing with semantics to me.
It is apparently anti-Semitic answer. Do you suggest that IDF is an army of terrorist?
 
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#4
I'd have thought that killing one Israeli soldier and kidnapping 2 others would count as a terrorist act. And it's the one which sparked off this recent sh*t.
 
#5
Biscuits_AB said:
I'd have thought that killing one Israeli soldier and kidnapping 2 others would count as a terrorist act. And it's the one which sparked off this recent sh*t.
Two countries are ina state of war. Armed persons from one side crossed the border, killed some soldier (not defenceless civilians) and captured two POWs. It is a typical military operation.
 
#6
mora said:
The Hezbollah incursion at Kibutz Metzuba, which ended in the death of six Israelis, was construed as being secondary to the suicide bombings taking place in Israel's cities.


March 12 2002: Terrorists opened fire, ambushing Israeli vehicles traveling between Shlomi and Kibbutz Metzuba near the northern border with Lebanon late Tuesday morning. Six Israelis were killed and at least 6 others suffered injuries. Two terrorists were also killed. Israeli forces are still conducting aerial and land searches for other members of the terror cell.

http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/page...ontrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0
Let's look at this source closely

The two gunmen were killed by Col. Dror Rofeh, commander of the IDF's western brigade. He was assisted by Lt. German Rozhkov, who was killed during a 30-minute firefight, which included three hand grenades thrown at the officers as they charged the terrorists on the side of the road.
Again it looks like a military operation.

The gunmen were dressed in IDF uniforms. Despite the proximity to the border, IDF sources suspect they were West Bank Palestinians affiliated with the Fatah, through the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, which claimed responsibility for the attack
Sorry Mora but I asked about HEZNOLLAH.

mora said:
and argentina

Hezbollah suicide bombing attack at the AMIA Jewish community center (July 1994

In the first half of the 1990s, Hezbollah perpetrated two terrorist attacks in Argentina : the first was perpetrated against the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires (March 1992), leading to the deaths of 29 people; the second, and deadlier, was perpetrated against the Jewish community center (July 1994), as a result of which 85 civilians were killed and some 230 were wounded.

http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/eng_n/argentina_e.htm

http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/bu/hizbullah/pb/app5.htm
Mora. first of all they are Israeli sources, that are naturally biased. And bombing in Argentina happened in 1994. But I asked about alleged terror acts committed in recent 10 years.

And was Hezbollah really involved in the bombing? It is your second source:

http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/bu/hizbullah/pb/app5.htm

The Argentine intelligence completed the investigation in March 2003, and submitted a report to the investigating judge, Galiano. The judge made a final report that relied heavily on the intelligence data. The judicial report accused Iran and some Iranian representatives who were then on duty in Argentina serving in diplomatic posts. It also singled out Hezbollah as the organization which had carried out the Iranian decision.
As you see there are only allegations that Iran was involved in the bombing and Hezbollah hasn't been even mentioned.

So sorry Mora, your examples are not good ones.
 
#8
mark1234 said:
KGB resident your twisting of the facts, wordplay and propaganda is very errm.......russian. :lol:
Thank you Mark!

Some there (I hope very few) still think that I'm not Russian.

Regards!
 
#9
mora said:
KGB_resident said:
The two gunmen were killed by Col. Dror Rofeh, commander of the IDF's western brigade. He was assisted by Lt. German Rozhkov, who was killed during a 30-minute firefight, which included three hand grenades thrown at the officers as they charged the terrorists on the side of the road.
Again it looks like a military operation.
eh? so who will pursuit them? its a kibbutz! and it was HZ not Pales.
You think that they were members of Hezbollah but according to Haaretz

IDF sources suspect they were West Bank Palestinians affiliated with the Fatah
As for the firefight then it could happen in Kibutz for many reasons. Probably the militants were spotted namely there. Anyway if was a battle between armed men with possible collateral damage.
 
#10
KGB resident your twisting of the facts, wordplay and propaganda is very errm.......russian
Mark for some reason perhaps, because I have seen too many episodes of 24 , I have this image of a 24 like set located deep in the bowels of the Kremlin with a team of FSB's best and brightest mulling over each comment posted and constantly looking for just the right article to post for operation Sergey. In the back ground ,dimly lit for some reason, is the shadowy figure of Mr Big directing this operation. Unfortunately the beautiful but evil Natasha is always working on some other operation.

So just remember it is a whole team of highly paid Russians ,twisting facts, using word play and disseminating propaganda, no one person could manage to do it all. :wink:
 
#11
haha :lol:

Its not entirely implausable that a russian agent could be posting on the british army's (unofficial) forum spreading anti-British/US/isreali propaganda

Though why would he call himself KGB Resident (perhaps its a double bluff)

Its far too hot to wear a tinfoil hat :lol:
 
#12
mark1234 said:
haha :lol:

Its not entirely implausable that a russian agent could be posting on the british army's (unofficial) forum spreading anti-British/US/isreali propaganda

Though why would he call himself KGB Resident (perhaps its a double bluff)

Its far too hot to wear a tinfoil hat :lol:
The Red Army used to have an English Language magazine called somehting like "Red Army News" full of tips for English uspeaking users ot T72s etc. One of its subscribers was G2 Int HQ I B R Corps. Was this bluff or double bluff?
 
#13
well i think it would be very nieve to think that russians/chinese/muslim fundamentalists weren't at least monitoring this website.

not tinfoil hat at all, just good sense, ive seen posts on the capability and short comings of bowmen and the sa80a2 amongst others that really need not have been there.

this is a serious point im making, though my sugestion that sergey was KGB was tongue in cheek.
 
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Pteranadon said:
mark1234 said:
The Red Army used to have an English Language magazine called somehting like "Red Army News" full of tips for English uspeaking users ot T72s etc. One of its subscribers was G2 Int HQ I B R Corps. Was this bluff or double bluff?
Voenny Vestnik or Military Messenger - lots or earnest questions from Indians and the like. A great mag, good pics of blokes with accordions!
 
#15
KGB_resident said:
Two countries are in a state of war. Armed persons from one side crossed the border, killed some soldier (not defenceless civilians) and captured two POWs. It is a typical military operation.
Except that Hezbollah, who I'm assuming you're referring to, isn't a national government or part of the official Lebanese military. Granted they have a sizeable group of party members elected to the Lebanese Parliament, 23 of 128 members from what I can see, and two members sitting in the Cabinet they are not the government. So since last time I looked Lebanon's government hasn't officially decalred war on the state of Israel that still makes them a bunch of scumbag terrorists blindly firing unguided missiles into Israeli civillian areas in my humble opinion.
 
#16
Brick said:
KGB_resident said:
Two countries are in a state of war. Armed persons from one side crossed the border, killed some soldier (not defenceless civilians) and captured two POWs. It is a typical military operation.
Except that Hezbollah, who I'm assuming you're referring to, isn't a national government or part of the official Lebanese military. Granted they have a sizeable group of party members elected to the Lebanese Parliament, 23 of 128 members from what I can see, and two members sitting in the Cabinet they are not the government. So since last time I looked Lebanon's government hasn't officially decalred war on the state of Israel that still makes them a bunch of scumbag terrorists blindly firing unguided missiles into Israeli civillian areas in my humble opinion.
I would like to begin with a common statement. Any violent action against soldiers or/and armed persons is not a terrorism. It is an act of war, military operation and so on but not a terrorism.

As for 'Hezbollah isn't a national government or part of the official Lebanese military' then French resistance during WW2 and Algerian guerillas were not a part of official armed forces. Were they terrorist? Apparently no.

Israel invaded Lebanon 1982. It was a war. since then no peace treaty was signed and both countries are formally in a state of war. Btw, Syria and Iraq are formally in a state of war with Israel.

From formal point of view Russia and Japan are in a state of war because Soviet Union declared a war to Japan in 1945 and a peace treaty was not signed.
 
#17
mark1234 said:
Its not entirely implausable that a russian agent could be posting on the british army's (unofficial) forum spreading anti-British/US/isreali propaganda
Propaganda = unwanted truth.

Anti-British propaganda? No, you can ask our friend AndyPipkin. He could confirm that I stay for the brotherhood between peoples of the UK, especially the English, the Scotch and the Welch. I believe that HM armed forces is an exellent place to forge not only military brotherhood but to unite peoples. In this context I strongly dislike Andy's attitude to our Celtic friends.

Also, I'm very interesting in one incident happened in Basra. But following the rules I keep silence.

As for other contries then (within a conception of freedom of speech) I would like to write what I think. If I'm wrong then correct me please.
 
#18
KGB_resident said:
mark1234 said:
Its not entirely implausable that a russian agent could be posting on the british army's (unofficial) forum spreading anti-British/US/isreali propaganda
Propaganda = unwanted truth.

Anti-British propaganda? No, you can ask our friend AndyPipkin. He could confirm that I stay for the brotherhood between peoples of the UK, especially the English, the Scotch and the Welch. I believe that HM armed forces is an exellent place to forge not only military brotherhood but to unite peoples. In this context I strongly dislike Andy's attitude to our Celtic friends.

Also, I'm very interesting in one incident happened in Basra. But following the rules I keep silence.

As for other contries then (within a conception of freedom of speech) I would like to write what I think. If I'm wrong then correct me please.



Anti-American/Anti-Israel propaganda

Though why would he call himself KGB Resident (perhaps its a double bluff)

Its far too hot to wear a tinfoil hat :lol:
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you also alledged that a medal awarded to a certain infanteer who led a bayonet charge against Iraqi insurgents was infact a war crime and many un-armed iraqis where bayoneted resulting in a cover up by the british army.

come on mate, doesnt that reek of anti-british propaganda just a tad.

but i will concede you do post your propaganda in a polite way and never resort to name calling like others and from time to time and you seem to have at least one foot in reality now and then, that at least i can respect.
 
#19
Sergey wears cheap western style suites, sunglasses and smokes russian cigarrettes just like the Russians in the Bond films ... so must be KGB or......... SMERSH :)



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#20
KGB_resident said:
Biscuits_AB said:
I'd have thought that killing one Israeli soldier and kidnapping 2 others would count as a terrorist act. And it's the one which sparked off this recent sh*t.
Two countries are ina state of war. Armed persons from one side crossed the border, killed some soldier (not defenceless civilians) and captured two POWs. It is a typical military operation.
Is Israel in a state of war with Lebanon? I thought they were chasing Hezbollah and that Lebanon just got caught in the cross fire. Unless you are telling us that the Hezbollah action was sponsored by Lebanon or that it wasn't Hezoballoah who kidnapped the Israelis but rather the Lebanese Army?

Grey was always the favourite Russian colour.
 

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