HELMETS

#4
i did a technical presentation on this, and found that the answer was <cue drum roll> ... NO!
 
#5
Soldier 5 you are right the protection levels of the Para helmet are not the same as MK6, that why Para's get issued Two the Para helmet is not classed as a Combat Helmet it is (Helmet Parachute) is will protect your head against impact. The new MK7 as a greater level of protection.
 
#6
why do you need a seperate helmet to jump out of aeroplanes anyway ? This isnt a wahh .
 
#8
A colleague of mine took a Mk 6 out hunting with him the other day as an experiment, whereby he fired .234 (civvy version of 5.56) rounds at it from approx 100m. They shredded the helmet - in and out no problem.
 
#10
Fact:

The Para helmet has the lowest fragmentation of any military helmet available. There is no difference between old para helmets and the new ones - only a different paint finish.

The helmet was designed in the late 1970's when doctors were worried that any additional weight on the head could cause wiplash on landing - subsequently the US brought in a standard Inf helmet for both ground and airborne troops which was significantly heavier than Mk6 and the para helmet, disproving this hypothesis.

The helmet has a life of 10 years, any helmet over 10 years is likely to have degraded to such a point it is dangerous.

If the para helmet perfromance was not so low - it would not have been banned for use on Op TELIC.
 
#11
Fragcatcher said:
Fact

The Para helmet has the lowest fragmentation of any military helmet available. There is no difference between old para helmets and the new ones - only a different paint finish.

The helmet was designed in the late 1970's when doctors were worried that any additional weight on the head could cause wiplash on landing - subsequently the US brought in a standard Inf helmet for both ground and airborne troops which was significantly heavier than Mk6 and the para helmet, disproving this hypothesis.

The helmet has a life of 10 years, any helmet over 10 years is likely to have degraded to such a point it is dangerous.

If the para helmet perfromance was not so low - it would not have been banned for use on Op TELIC.
Fact:

The PASGAT helmet issued to US troops is significantly lighter that the British MK6 and weighs about the same as a British para helmet, I know as I've worn one whilst on an exchange visit. US airborne troops are issued with a different strap and internal padding assembly to provide better impact protection and to prevent the helmet from loosening on impact.
 
#12
Dien_Bien_Phu said:
The PASGAT helmet issued to US troops is significantly lighter that the British MK6 and weighs about the same as a British para helmet, I know as I've worn one whilst on an exchange visit. US airborne troops are issued with a different strap and internal padding assembly to provide better impact protection and to prevent the helmet from loosening on impact.
Sorry, not true:

US Army PASGT helmet: 1.63Kg
USMC lightweight version of PASGT: 1.38Kg
UK standard Mk6: 1.4Kg
UK Para helmet: 1.1Kg

However, the UK Mk6 is the only military helmet in the world that meets international crash helmet standards for bump protection. I understand that this is considered pretty useful in the back of a Warrior, or when half-bricks are flying about. By comparison, the bump protection on the PASGT is very poor. The PASGT does offer 9mm protection, but just how essential is this on the modern battlefield?

I suppose I should offer an OPSEC disclaimer that all of this info is freely available via official websites.
 
#13
Gun_Nut said:
Dien_Bien_Phu said:
The PASGAT helmet issued to US troops is significantly lighter that the British MK6 and weighs about the same as a British para helmet, I know as I've worn one whilst on an exchange visit. US airborne troops are issued with a different strap and internal padding assembly to provide better impact protection and to prevent the helmet from loosening on impact.
Sorry, not true

US Army PASGT helmet 1.63Kg
USMC lightweight version of PASGT 1.38Kg
UK standard Mk6 1.4Kg
UK Para helmet 1.1Kg

However, the UK Mk6 is the only military helmet in the world that meets international crash helmet standards for bump protection. I understand that this is considered pretty useful in the back of a Warrior, or when half-bricks are flying about. By comparison, the bump protection on the PASGT is very poor. The PASGT does offer 9mm protection, but just how essential is this on the modern battlefield?

I suppose I should offer an OPSEC disclaimer that all of this info is freely available via official websites.
GN I stand corrected. My exchange was with the USMC so that's probably why their helmets felt light but I could have sworn that their PASGT helmets felt a lot lighter than my MK6.
 
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#14
Just had a bluey off my mate who is on herrick and he says and i quote "Lying jealous HAT cnuts we are all wearing our para helmets out here just like we did on telic 6 and the war phase in 2003" Oh and i can vouch for this as i was on the latter two tours with him when i was in 3 para!!!!! and my friend who is ex PF and now has a 16aa brigade posting and he has it on brigadier Butler's authority that PF SF PARA regt and all trained parachutists including para trained commando units will always reserve the rights to wear their para helmets as the helmet does offer the required protection for the way they operate and this includes telic herric and even NI in non P.O. capacity so there na na na na na !!!!
 
#15
taric said:
Just had a bluey off my mate who is on herrick and he says and i quote "Lying jealous HAT * we are all wearing our para helmets out here just like we did on telic 6 and the war phase in 2003" Oh and i can vouch for this as i was on the latter two tours with him when i was in 3 para!!!!! and my friend who is ex PF and now has a 16aa brigade posting and he has it on brigadier Butler's authority that PF SF PARA regt and all trained parachutists including para trained commando units will always reserve the rights to wear their para helmets as the helmet does offer the required protection for the way they operate and this includes telic herric and even NI in non P.O. capacity so there na na na na na !!!!
How apt. You posted in a thread named "Helmets".
 
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taric

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#16
Well no had to clear it up because no matter the subject it's just an open forum for jealousy of all things airborne and elite TW*TS !!!!!
 
#17
Eh?

Old plastic/fibreglass para helmets were designed to stop you bashing your noggin on landing, plus a scraping of battlefield protection.
The new Kevvie ones protect your noggin off the floor and offer the same amount of ballistic protection as a Mk6?

This is why on current deployments that my mates are on, and ones a few months previous i.e Telic, they all wore their para lids, not to mention they're ally as **** compared to pudding bowls.

I'm sure I'm not wrong.
 
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#19
blacky said:
Soldier 5 you are right the protection levels of the Para helmet are not the same as MK6, that why Para's get issued Two the Para helmet is not classed as a Combat Helmet it is (Helmet Parachute) is will protect your head against impact. The new MK7 as a greater level of protection.
I've only ever been issued one helmet, a Para helmet, and i've never known anyone else to carry a non-Para and Para helmet at the same time. The Para helmet does the job and i concur with those who state, and have evidenced, that it does offer the appropriate ballistic and fragmentation protection.

Those who know, know that there's enough kit to put/not put in your container without adding a non-Para helmet and putting that on when you're on the ground - i don't think so!
 
#20
Aye, spot on Gluck, I was never issued to of the things. I know o ur MoD is sometimes not the most shit hot with kit, but they're not that shite.
 
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