Helicopter Search and Rescue

#1
I was just reading through the list of cuts to expenditure by the new govt when I saw that the new Search and Rescue project planned cost was £4.6 BILLION!

WTF?
 
#3
One paper put it at £7 billion. Great value for money - yet another RAF PFI jobs for the boys scheme!
 
#4
SAR will be privatised, so if you get in trouble on the mountains or out to sea REMEMBER to take your credit card, and only get into trouble during normal working hours.

CG
 
#5
Chicken_George said:
SAR will be privatised, so if you get in trouble on the mountains or out to sea REMEMBER to take your credit card, and only get into trouble during normal working hours.

CG
Actually, the whole point of binning this PFI is that it is too expensive to privatise.
 
#7
Grey24-7 said:
Chicken_George said:
SAR will be privatised, so if you get in trouble on the mountains or out to sea REMEMBER to take your credit card, and only get into trouble during normal working hours.

CG
Actually, the whole point of binning this PFI is that it is too expensive to privatise.
Exactly,
Every mountain rescue team is a self funding charity, and everyone works for free, long may it remain so.
In addition MR teams also work with air ambulance and police helos as well as Raf, Navy and Army helos.
 
#8
dumdum said:
Grey24-7 said:
Chicken_George said:
SAR will be privatised, so if you get in trouble on the mountains or out to sea REMEMBER to take your credit card, and only get into trouble during normal working hours.

CG
Actually, the whole point of binning this PFI is that it is too expensive to privatise.
Exactly,
Every mountain rescue team is a self funding charity, and everyone works for free, long may it remain so.
In addition MR teams also work with air ambulance and police helos as well as Raf, Navy and Army helos.
Some of the MR teams in Scotland are staffed by volenteer RAF & RN personel.One of my old Snec's at Kinloss was on the one based there.
 
#9
Privatise SAR and give the contract to flashy!

Get rescued and have your life saved...and get your "horoscope read" and be quite rightfully called a cnut at the same time!

People would probably think twice about undertaking round the world jaunts on a toaster etc as well.
 
#10
Spanner said:
One paper put it at £7 billion. Great value for money - yet another RAF PFI jobs for the boys scheme!
Rotary SAR is provided by the RAF and RN in the UK. Neither service wanted PFI. :roll:

Regards,
MM
 
#11
Rotary SAR is provided by RN, RAF and also by Coastguard. The Coastguard element is already PFI/contractor furnished.

HM Coastguard Contract Helicopters
The MCA currently operates two contracted Sikorsky S92 and one Agusta Westland AW139 Search and Rescue Helicopters which have full night /all weather operations capability and are based at Sumburgh Airport (Shetland),and Stornoway Airport (Isle of Lewis) and Lee-on-Solent respectively. All are capable of the full range of airborne SAR tasks. A fourth AW139 SAR helicopter is stationed at Portland (near Weymouth) and provides additional cover during daylight hours. (from MCA web-site; I think the quantities are wrong/out of date by the way?)
The S92s are sexy beasts...
 

seaweed

LE
Book Reviewer
#12
The point being that the closure of the RN Air Stations at Portland and Lee removed the need for RN SAR cover for flyers from those airfields. As stated above the RN & RAF provide SAR for their own people. Civvies are there to practice on. I don't see why, as a taxpayer, I should be providing anything extra for recreational sailors unless the full cost of rescuing them from their own stupidity becomes a recoverable civil debt. But then I find the whole yo-ho-ho and a bottle of Campari scene risible.
 

the_boy_syrup

LE
Book Reviewer
#13
smudge67 said:
Done earlier today.....somewhere.

Do you mean that nobody has thought to use the search facility to search for the search and rescue thread?
 
#14
The point being that the closure of the RN Air Stations at Portland and Lee removed the need for RN SAR cover for flyers from those airfields. As stated above the RN & RAF provide SAR for their own people. Civvies are there to practice on. I don't see why, as a taxpayer, I should be providing anything extra for recreational sailors unless the full cost of rescuing them from their own stupidity becomes a recoverable civil debt. But then I find the whole yo-ho-ho and a bottle of Campari scene risible.
You mean Yachties? I dislike it when the media calls them sailors. But what about merchant seaman or fishermen, who work at sea?

Isn't there a need for the carriers, both current and future, to have a SAR capability? Will this be another role for the embarked Merlins, or will Lynx (Wildcat?) be embarked as a ship's flight - not unlike what is described here?

The RN does SAR worldwide. Does 771 NAS provide the training?
 
#15
having watched the tiny AW139 rescue a guy with a broken leg on the cliffs in dorset last summer I can see why the unit is not suitable for 24 hour operation and this was the proposal to replace the Sea Kings from 22 Sqdrn and 771
The operation of this bird would leave very serious holes in the rescue cover between cornwall and anglesey and make a dangerous coast even more lifetaking as the time it would take a bird to get from either valley or newquay would often be too late to take effect in daylight hours and then wheres the cover at night

so lets hope the PFI idea left over from the CND(labour) party is never resurrected or any users of the sea are Donald Ducked!
 
#17
The point being that the closure of the RN Air Stations at Portland and Lee removed the need for RN SAR cover for flyers from those airfields. As stated above the RN & RAF provide SAR for their own people. Civvies are there to practice on. I don't see why, as a taxpayer, I should be providing anything extra for recreational sailors unless the full cost of rescuing them from their own stupidity becomes a recoverable civil debt. But then I find the whole yo-ho-ho and a bottle of Campari scene risible.
Dont the RNLI send a 'optional' bill to their rescuees?
 

jim24

LE
Book Reviewer
#19
The best solution would be to extend the Sea King's lifespan rather than go through an entire bid process again
no reason why this could not be done, the American Dept of State has just placed an order for 110 S61Ts,all rebuilds by Triton Aviation and Sikorsky so a production line already exists, without them getting f@cked over by Agusta/Wasteland
 
#20
Dont the powers that be want all the sea kings gone by 2016 no matter what capabilities are lost?
and to rescuing civies, as far as i can see the military are the only organisation capable of providing the capability of round the clock helicopters as unlike most other western nations most of our costal SAR is volunteer based with the RNLI and the coast guard volunteers as its always been and to change this to make these organisations take responibility for more complex helicopter SAR would probably need major restructuring and cost. Perhaps the bill for the miliatry SAR should be half or more funded by the goverment outside of the MOD'd budget to lessen the cost on the military say to buying suitably equiped helicopters merlins for example. But their must be smoe crewing advantages to keeping sar mil like the experiance the crew gain.
 

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