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Heavy fighting erupts over separatist Nagorno-Karabakh (Armenia Vs Azerbaijan)

There was a twitter video of three Mig29s in Armenia the other day... Though as always could have been fake.
Apparently the Russians have a military presence in Armenia, including Mig-29s.

Looking at the equipment both sides have, Azerbaijan seems to have a fair smattering of Western/Israeli kit, whereas Armenia is mostly Russian kit.


 
It has been said that some of the more dubious flights keep their transponders on as a form of protection, since nations shooting other nations' civilian/cargo planes down would constitute a radical escalation and expose the attacker to the same treatment. That's why some of these "trackers' are able to "see" and report flights from Iran delivering weapons to Syria / Hezbullah in real time. Then however, everyone in the know waits to see how the IAF will pounce on the delivered shipment.
American spy planes have been caught mimicking the transponders of civilian airliners belonging to other countries. Any plane flying about with no functioning transponder will stick out like a sore thumb to anyone with a functioning radar system capable of detecting the aircraft.
 
The Armenian community in Canada are lobbying to get a ban on arms sales to Turkey.
Canadian Armenian community demands ban on military drone tech exports to Turkey

One particular item they are trying to get banned from sale to Turkey is WESCAM sensor and laser targetting systems.

WESCAM, based just west of Toronto, sells about $500 million of electro-optical systems around the world, and are used by many countries.

Canada supposedly has a freeze on arms sales to Turkey following the latter's invasion of the Kurdish area of northern Syria, but either WESCAM is apparently exempted from that or the freeze doesn't affect existing contracts.

Allegedly Turkey have been transferring drones equipped with Canadian electro-optical systems to Azerbaijan, but that has not been confirmed.
Officials at Global Affairs Canada said they are investigating claims that Turkey may have transferred military drones equipped with Canadian technology to Azerbaijan.
 
Apparently the Russians have a military presence in Armenia, including Mig-29s.

Looking at the equipment both sides have, Azerbaijan seems to have a fair smattering of Western/Israeli kit, whereas Armenia is mostly Russian kit.


Azerbaijan are a mid-sized oil exporter, and have been investing their oil money in arms. Their oil reserves are the major reason why Western countries have any interest in them.
 
Also mentioned in the same story that I posted above, Canada and the UK have issued a joint statement saying they find the reports from the area "deeply concerning".

The statement was issued by Canadian foreign minister François-Philippe Champagne and his UK counterpart Dominic Raab.

On Monday, Foreign Affairs Minister François-Philippe Champagne and his British counterpart Dominic Raab issued a joint statement saying they are troubled by reports of large-scale military action along the Line of Contact.

"Reports of shelling of settlements and civilian casualties are deeply concerning," the statement said. "We call for the immediate end of hostilities, respect for the ceasefire agreement and the protection of civilians.
 
Also mentioned in the same story that I posted above, Canada and the UK have issued a joint statement saying they find the reports from the area "deeply concerning".

The statement was issued by Canadian foreign minister François-Philippe Champagne and his UK counterpart Dominic Raab.

I am sure the world will take note of their concern, what pathetic gesturing.
 
Either this has escalated hugely in a couple of days, or someone's telling porkys. My bet would be the latter, but of course, the Azerbaijanis don't touch porcine products. A Turkish media outlet airing Azerbaijani government announcements; what's not believable.

'Dozens of people have been reported killed and hundreds wounded since the new wave of fighting broke out on Sunday.

'Azerbaijan's parliament declared martial law in some cities and areas, following Armenia's border violations and attacks in the occupied Nagorno-Karabakh region.

'The ministry added that 2,300 Armenian soldiers have been killed and wounded since Sept. 27.

'In addition, approximately 130 tanks and armored vehicles, more than 200 artillery and missile systems, approximately 25 air defense systems, six command and observation zones, five ammunition depots, approximately 50 anti-tank guns and 55 cars were destroyed, it added.'


 
And the counter-claim in the 'battle of the narratives'.

'According to the released information, Baku has suffered heavy losses of manpower, armored vehicles and military attack and transport helicopters. The Armenian official spoke of losses by Azerbaijan in 137 tanks, 7 helicopters, 72 drones and 1 plane, and about 800 soldiers were killed.

'The information, as we said earlier, comes from a press conference of Artsrun Hovhannisyan, who is serving in the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia. He added that according to unconfirmed information, the Azeris currently have approximately 1,900 wounded soldiers. The Armenian military confirmed that his country also suffered heavy losses, but they would be “announced tomorrow” [today September 30 – ed.]'


 
What I find most depressing is the hypocrisy of it all on our side..... Turkey is destabilising every border it has, with clashes in Syria, Greece, the Caucasus and even repurposing church/museum back to Mosque and very little reaction in the west which would not be the case if Russia were stoking up trouble and especially given the Armenian genocide.

When I served in Bosnia, the talk was the same, the serbs are bad and the croats good, when in actuality it wasn't entirely clear any side warranted the tag of 'good'.
 
What I find most depressing is the hypocrisy of it all on our side..... Turkey is destabilising every border it has, with clashes in Syria, Greece, the Caucasus and even repurposing church/museum back to Mosque and very little reaction in the west which would not be the case if Russia were stoking up trouble and especially given the Armenian genocide.

When I served in Bosnia, the talk was the same, the serbs are bad and the croats good, when in actuality it wasn't entirely clear any side warranted the tag of 'good'.

And yet only 8 out 28 NATO nations supported France against Turkey on the frigate incident of this Summer...
 
And yet only 8 out 28 NATO nations supported France against Turkey on the frigate incident of this Summer...
Care to list those that supported France?
 
What I find most depressing is the hypocrisy of it all on our side..... Turkey is destabilising every border it has, with clashes in Syria, Greece, the Caucasus and even repurposing church/museum back to Mosque and very little reaction in the west which would not be the case if Russia were stoking up trouble and especially given the Armenian genocide.

When I served in Bosnia, the talk was the same, the serbs are bad and the croats good, when in actuality it wasn't entirely clear any side warranted the tag of 'good'.
Turkey needs to be told to go fcuk.. but ai don't think there's a eviction mechanism in the NATO charter.
 
'Azerbaijan's parliament declared martial law in some cities and areas, following Armenia's border violations and attacks in the occupied Nagorno-Karabakh region.

'The ministry added that 2,300 Armenian soldiers have been killed and wounded since Sept. 27.

'In addition, approximately 130 tanks and armored vehicles, more than 200 artillery and missile systems, approximately 25 air defense systems, six command and observation zones, five ammunition depots, approximately 50 anti-tank guns and 55 cars were destroyed, it added.'

50 anti tank guns? Have they been attacking museums?
 
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Turkey needs to be told to go fcuk.. but ai don't think there's a eviction mechanism in the NATO charter.

Correct; Article 13 is the only mechanism for departure, and that's one instigated by the departing nation.
 
From the top of my head it was DEU, ITA, PT, SP, BEL, LUX and 2 eastern nations IIRC.

USA, GBR and all the nordics did not offer support.

And correction, it was 8 out of 30, not 28.
Wonder why we, the USA and the nordics didn’t?

Maybe Macron pissed us all off?
 
Turkey needs to be told to go fcuk.. but ai don't think there's a eviction mechanism in the NATO charter.
Can the rest of us, just stop "taking-their-calls" . . . ?! ;) .
 
For the UK it is clearly because of the GBR/TUR agreement regarding UKSF Ops in Syria. No room for manoeuver there.

Nope, that’s not the reason.
 

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