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Heavy fighting erupts over separatist Nagorno-Karabakh (Armenia Vs Azerbaijan)

******* hell , that was was just take out an infantry bunker.
Nothing else in sight @loofkar yup, acknowledged.

Is this a one off ? Does Azerbaijan have so much precision ammunition it can use a tank destroying missile on a few infantrymen ?

Warfare is rapidly changing here

This Azeri video of pinpoint drone strikes is from yesterday. I really wonder what effect this is having on Morale. I also wonder how the story would look if the Azeries had even more drone assets than they do.

 
and you would have thought that after 2 weeks of it the Armenians would at least have stopped bunching up in groups. Could it be that the command is concealing news of the danger of drones from its troops?
this video is from today
 
This Azeri video of pinpoint drone strikes is from yesterday. I really wonder what effect this is having on Morale. I also wonder how the story would look if the Azeries had even more drone assets than they do.

I can't see how this can go on. I assume the pauses between the intensity of these strikes is to allow re-supply but, if the Azerbaijanis have a supply of drones, Armenia/NK is eventually going to run out of men.
Last week, things seemed less bad in respect of drone attacks. I thought that might allow Armenia to hold on through the winter but I was probably wrong.
 
I can't see how this can go on. I assume the pauses between the intensity of these strikes is to allow re-supply but, if the Azerbaijanis have a supply of drones, Armenia/NK is eventually going to run out of men.
Last week, things seemed less bad in respect of drone attacks. I thought that might allow Armenia to hold on through the winter but I was probably wrong.

I don't get why they're still bunching up - if it had been the IDF there would have been frantic orders to everyone to keep dispersed. I also don't get how they could think firing a ballistic missile at Ganja could help them.
 
This Azeri video of pinpoint drone strikes is from yesterday. I really wonder what effect this is having on Morale. I also wonder how the story would look if the Azeries had even more drone assets than they do.


Awesome.
They are targeting down to infantry bunker and MG positions.
They must have phenomenal amounts of these munitions to go for these targets.

Morale ? It wont be shown but I bet it has never been lower.
 
I don't get why they're still bunching up - if it had been the IDF there would have been frantic orders to everyone to keep dispersed. I also don't get how they could think firing a ballistic missile at Ganja could help them.
I have wondered what you have wondered - have they been told about the drones? They seem aware of them as they try to seek cover. Given the post-Soviet nature of the state, and the extent to which the old Soviet state used to lie to Soviet citizens, perhaps they haven't been told just how bad it is? And 'there are these UAV and we can't do a thing about them' is a hard sell.
 
Awesome.
They are targeting down to infantry bunker and MG positions.
They must have phenomenal amounts of these munitions to go for these targets.

Morale ? It wont be shown but I bet it has never been lower.

Or alternatively, lots of pretty pictures of drone strikes help to distract the Azeri population from how little ground has actually been taken and how many coffins they are shipping back into Azerbaijan.
 
Or alternatively, lots of pretty pictures of drone strikes help to distract the Azeri population from how little ground has actually been taken and how many coffins they are shipping back into Azerbaijan.

The Azeries have obviously not been taught not to bunch up, they definitely have their problems. The Armenians have the high ground and effective Soviet artilley, but what is your point here? Are you inferring that the Armenians are wreaking similar unprecedented havoc with drones but just aren't bothering to show it?
 
Or alternatively, lots of pretty pictures of drone strikes help to distract the Azeri population from how little ground has actually been taken and how many coffins they are shipping back into Azerbaijan.
The Azeries aren't shipping back anything to Azerbaijan as the ground conflict is occurring within Azerbaijan.
 
Or alternatively, lots of pretty pictures of drone strikes help to distract the Azeri population from how little ground has actually been taken and how many coffins they are shipping back into Azerbaijan.

Any evidence of the vast quantities of coffins going back to Azerbaijan ?

As for taking ground - whats the rush ?
Slap them about a bit with these very effective cheapo drones and then stroll in later when they have legged it.
 
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The Azeries have obviously not been taught not to bunch up, they definitely have their problems. The Armenians have the high ground and effective Soviet artilley, but what is your point here? Are you inferring that the Armenians are wreaking similar unprecedented havoc with drones but just aren't bothering to show it?

Azerbaijan is a Dictatorship where what appears on the news is tightly controlled by the Government but there is a rumour mill where information that isn't Government approved does pass through the public.

We know from other photos and videos that the Azeris are taking casualties, possibly quite a lot of casualties, but the Azeri Government haven't publicly admitted to having taken any casualties other than civilian ones. They have form from 2016 of moving bodies back into the country at night and forcing families to do night time burials to try and conceal casualties from the public.

For an organisation that completely overmatches their opponent in numbers and technology the Azeri Army isn't making quick of work of taking ground, which is their stated intent, and even their President has been caught out lying about what has actually been captured.

What I am saying is that drone strikes on low priority targets where they can be seen to inflict casualties on the Armenians may be as much for domestic propaganda as it is about having so many drones they can 'waste' them.
 
Any evidence of the vast quantities of coffins going back to Azerbaijan ?

As for taking ground - whats the rush ?
Slap them about a bit with these very effective cheapo drones and then stroll in later when they have legged it.

A couple of pages back there is a video that shows at least a platoon's worth of dead Azeris. Have you seen anything from the Azeri Govt that acknowledges that even happened? I haven't.
 
Azerbaijan is a Dictatorship where what appears on the news is tightly controlled by the Government but there is a rumour mill where information that isn't Government approved does pass through the public.

We know from other photos and videos that the Azeris are taking casualties, possibly quite a lot of casualties, but the Azeri Government haven't publicly admitted to having taken any casualties other than civilian ones. They have form from 2016 of moving bodies back into the country at night and forcing families to do night time burials to try and conceal casualties from the public.

For an organisation that completely overmatches their opponent in numbers and technology the Azeri Army isn't making quick of work of taking ground, which is their stated intent, and even their President has been caught out lying about what has actually been captured.

What I am saying is that drone strikes on low priority targets where they can be seen to inflict casualties on the Armenians may be as much for domestic propaganda as it is about having so many drones they can 'waste' them.
perhaps they're counting on breaking enemy morale from the air but the Armenian command is concealing the danger from its troops for similar reasons to the Azeri regime. Armenia may not have a dictatorship but they lied through their teeth this morning saying they fired nothing whatsoever at Ganja. One really wonders who the hell is running things there and what they think they can depend on.
 
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Any evidence of the vast quantities of coffins going back to Azerbaijan ?

As for taking ground - whats the rush ?
Slap them about a bit with these very effective cheapo drones and then stroll in later when they have legged it.

The numbers of dead Syrians shipped back to Syria are very significant - perhaps the Azeries used them as cannon fodder.....
 
Azerbaijan is a Dictatorship where what appears on the news is tightly controlled by the Government but there is a rumour mill where information that isn't Government approved does pass through the public.

We know from other photos and videos that the Azeris are taking casualties, possibly quite a lot of casualties, but the Azeri Government haven't publicly admitted to having taken any casualties other than civilian ones. They have form from 2016 of moving bodies back into the country at night and forcing families to do night time burials to try and conceal casualties from the public.

For an organisation that completely overmatches their opponent in numbers and technology the Azeri Army isn't making quick of work of taking ground, which is their stated intent, and even their President has been caught out lying about what has actually been captured.

What I am saying is that drone strikes on low priority targets where they can be seen to inflict casualties on the Armenians may be as much for domestic propaganda as it is about having so many drones they can 'waste' them.
It may be both (propaganda and military effect) - much like in the first Gulf War with the cruise missiles and laser-guided bombs?
 
A couple of pages back there is a video that shows at least a platoon's worth of dead Azeris. Have you seen anything from the Azeri Govt that acknowledges that even happened? I haven't.

No I have not seen acknowledgement from the Azeri side.

What I did see in that vid was a very strange grouping of about 20 dead Azeris
 
Azerbaijan is a Dictatorship where what appears on the news is tightly controlled by the Government but there is a rumour mill where information that isn't Government approved does pass through the public.

We know from other photos and videos that the Azeris are taking casualties, possibly quite a lot of casualties, but the Azeri Government haven't publicly admitted to having taken any casualties other than civilian ones. They have form from 2016 of moving bodies back into the country at night and forcing families to do night time burials to try and conceal casualties from the public.

For an organisation that completely overmatches their opponent in numbers and technology the Azeri Army isn't making quick of work of taking ground, which is their stated intent, and even their President has been caught out lying about what has actually been captured.

What I am saying is that drone strikes on low priority targets where they can be seen to inflict casualties on the Armenians may be as much for domestic propaganda as it is about having so many drones they can 'waste' them.

On rereading your post I think you and I aren't interested in the same aspects of the conflict.
My mind is blown by the military/tactical aspects and you seem to be more interested in the strategic/political/ethnic aspect.
To any squaddie or former squaddie the way drones are being used there is highly significant, irrespective of the countries/etnicities involved.
One big question I already alluded to is - how long can the Azeries keep the drone offensive up?

I will also be looking for evidence of the Armenians taking measures to camouflage themselves from drones (since they don't seem to have effective AD).
 
On rereading your post I think you and I aren't interested in the same aspects of the conflict.
My mind is blown by the military/tactical aspects and you seem to be more interested in the strategic/political/ethnic aspect.
To any squaddie or former squaddie the way drones are being used there is highly significant, irrespective of the countries/etnicities involved.
One big question I already alluded to is - how long can the Azeries keep the drone offensive up?

I will also be looking for evidence of the Armenians taking measures to camouflage themselves from drones (since they don't seem to have effective AD).

Yea, this is the important point of what is going on here, and why it is significantly different -at this point in time and place.
 
I don't get why they're still bunching up - if it had been the IDF there would have been frantic orders to everyone to keep dispersed. I also don't get how they could think firing a ballistic missile at Ganja could help them.

Yerevan tells that Ganja is being hit by Karabakh forces, from Karabakh. Apparently the Armenians provoke Azerbaijan to fire own ballistic missiles at Armenian cities (I mean inside Armenia itself). So Armenia in this case could ask Moscow to defend it.
Yes, the Armenians have to change tactics - to use small units mostly under woods cover.
The Karabakh war highlighted importance of drones, especially inexpensive small ones that can not be easily detected.
Drones developed and produced in Israel or Turkey are not something unique that other countries are unable to develop and produce. I don't speak about only major powers but also about Iran. Hezbollah armed with Iranian drones would be a serious threat. Armenia itself has sufficient intellectual and industrial potential to develop and produce drones especially with financial help from the diaspora.
 

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