Heathrow Terminal 5

#1
Brand new, opened today. Multi Billion pound project and it is absolute chaos. 34 flights cancelled and flights now leaving without baggage, now baggage check in has now been cancelled altogether. Head Gobshite for BA, Willie Walsh said we were expecting teething problems as they had at Hong Kong airport. 34 flights cancellations and flights leaving with no baggage are not teething problems matey, they are absolute incompetence. What ever happened to commission trials?

The ultimate airport experience my Arrse.
 
#2
Willy was on LBC this morning talking about the 'terminal five experience'. I thought that something good and efficient was going to happen not T4 in a new guise. How long before the tents are up in the car park?

World Class no doubt about it and practice for the Olympics.

The Chinese come in for some stick these days but I've always found Beijing airport works like a Swiss watch - in all respects.
 
#3
Trunnion-Tilt said:
Brand new, opened today. Multi Billion pound project and it is absolute chaos. 34 flights cancelled and flights now leaving without baggage, now baggage check in has now been cancelled altogether. Head Gobshite for BA, Willie Walsh said we were expecting teething problems as they had at Hong Kong airport. 34 flights cancellations and flights leaving with no baggage are not teething problems matey, they are absolute incompetence. What ever happened to commission trials?

The ultimate airport experience my Arrse.
And BAA was responsible for building the new airport at HK, as well. The decision to go ahead with T5 and winning the contract for HK were announced by BAA on the same day - in 1992!!
 
#4
Another 34 flights cancelled today, 64 if you include the inbound which has to be cancelled to.

Idea for a new London soap "Carry On Heathrow"
 
#8
i'm sure i heard the good (retd) Brig S**** C****m espousing the virtues of the baggage tracking system on the radio t'other day...
 
#9
Trackpen said:
And BAA was responsible for building the new airport at HK, as well. The decision to go ahead with T5 and winning the contract for HK were announced by BAA on the same day - in 1992!!
BAA are in their 'deny everything' mode at the moment, claiming all their AORs were working exactly as they should have been and all delays are BAs fault, plenty of compensation claims i should imagine, and someone will have to shell out for it.

Makes crab air look almost efficient....almost :)
 
#10
The important question is really 'is anybody at all suprised by this?'

I know I'm not!

This country does have a habit of shouting big but fcuking up bigger.

I think our armed forces are a prime example on how to mess things up, uniform, equipment and manpower levels isn't really much to brag about.
 
#12
halo_jones said:
Trunnion-Tilt said:
What ever happened to commission trials?
Cost... :roll:

One just has to love modern British management and there cut price business plans... :roll:

Um, I think you'll find that "British management" is one of those oxymoron thingies, like "military intelligence" or "compassionate conservatism".

And especially in the airline industry: if you think BA and BAA screwed up load testing at T5, don't even contemplate what kind of a hash Virgin would have made of it (though to be fair they are doing their own modest bit to ensure that the T3 rejuvenation is a well-rounded farce; limo, anybody?).
 
#13
Monty Python declared that they were "so worried" about this situation as long ago as 1980 when they released their Contractual Obligation Album.

Here's a You Tube clip of the song and the lyrics are here.
 
#14
I have just read that BA have owned T5 for 6 months.Surely enough time to test equipment and procedures? I also remember seeing pictures of "passengers" testing the baggage systems.
 
#16
Bodes well for the London Olympics :clap:
 
#17
Trunnion-Tilt said:
BA said the initial problem was the baggage from "belt to aircraft" Wonder how many of the handlers speak English?
Probably very few! At least the low paid minnions at Beijing or Hong Kong speak the same language - thats why their system works!
 
#18
A complete and utter fcukin' embarrassment! BA and BAA must be the laughin' stock of the aviation world.

It has put me off using BA for future journeys until it has been proved and confirmed that T5 works. BA's loss is Virgins gain!
 
#19
Trunnion-Tilt said:
I wonder if BA or even BAA will be fined for their shyte, just like Network Rail over their Xmas Fcuk up.
Trouble though with fining network rail is that it is us the taxpayer who is paying the fine. i doubt private companies like BAA bought by a Spanish company and already apparently 'over extended on it loans' or BA wont fight being fined in court which the gubiment would be bound to loose cos there fcuktards... :roll:


Old_Reprobate said:
halo_jones said:
Trunnion-Tilt said:
What ever happened to commission trials?
Cost... :roll:

One just has to love modern British management and there cut price business plans... :roll:

Um, I think you'll find that "British management" is one of those oxymoron thingies, like "military intelligence" or "compassionate conservatism". .
:oops: yes i realised as i posted it that i fundamentally put those two words together foolishly in the same sentence. 8O
 
#20
In terms of construction, Terminal 5 was early and under budget.

A friend of mine found his reward, along with many other experienced BAA staff associated with the T5 build, infrastructure and the Heathrow East project, was to be fired as part of a saving drive by their skint Spanish owners who have £9 Billion of debt to service and are cutting corners.

BA have not helped much by refusing to take on extra staff to cover the transition into T5 and insufficient training

But the real problem is that BAA (i.e Ferrovial), BA, CAA and the Government are locked into one of those complex blame game political dances of death that result in senior people taking their eye off the ball in terms of their day job: the proper running of an airports.

Heathrow shambles will not end at Terminal 5

"Behind a glittering new £4bn gateway to Britain, congestion and chaos still rule. Richard Wachman on the increasingly bitter dogfight between the airlines and airport owner BAA over landing charges, inefficiency and regulations"

Observer, Sunday March 16 2008



http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/...heairlineindustry?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
 

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