Hearing Loss, can i claim?

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  1. Hi

    I'm OR8, my 22 year point is in May this year, I have suffered with hearing loss and tinnitus since 1998, this became worse after Herrick 6 in 2007. Last year was issued with 2 hearing aids and told I'm H4 right, H3 left.

    I have a final hearing test next month which will dictate my future in the army (Med Discharge), I'm worried about leaving because I don't know if I will receive compensation, I have read so many things on here and on other sites but still a bit confused.

    I have askedt he Med Sgt for my hearing grades and this is what I was emailed, please see further questions below:


    This is how the grading is done.

    Sum of hearing loss at 500, 1000,2000hz

    H1 Not more than 45db

    H2 Not more than 84db

    H3 Not more than 150db

    H4 greater than 150db

    Sum of hearing loss 3000, 4000,6000hz

    H1 Not more than 45db

    H2 Not more than 123db

    H3 Not more than 210db

    H4 Greater than 210db

    The hearing loss that has occurred isin the high hz range for both your ears:

    Left ear 205db graded H3 as above 123db

    Right ear 230db graded H4 as above210db

    These are the actual readings of yourlatest hearing test:

    Sum low frequency 500, 1000, 2000hzleft ear 30db this is H1

    Sum high frequency 3000,4000, 6000hz left ear 205db this is H3

    Sum low frequency 500, 1000, 2000hzright ear 50db this is H2

    Sum high frequency 3000,4000, 6000hz right ear 230db this is H4

    Those in red are your current grading as this is the higher number and over rides the grades from the lower frequencies”.


    1. If I'am eligible to claim what would I claim under AFCS or War pension, hearing problems started in 1998 but got worse after 2007

    2. What percentage of my hearing have i lost in db?

    3. What compensation might I receive?

    Thank youfor your help and advice

  2. Personally before submitting a claim for hearing loss I'd wait until you've left the army and get your hearing fully checked by the NHS before submitting a claim. With the level of hearing loss your medic Sgt (who is not an audiologist) has informed you of I'm extremely surprised they haven't referred you to an audiologist already. Your final med board will almost certainly recommend it on your FMED 23 but by then it will be way too late.

    I'd also recommend talking to the RBL who are well versed in Noise Induced Sensorineural Hearing Loss (NISHL) and the changes in legislation by the previous government to limit compensation. In your case however I think you may be OK.

    I'd submit a claim on the following form as it covers both AFCS & War Pensions, SPVA will then apply the relevant compensation scheme irrespective of which you or anyone on here thinks your claim is covered by:

  3. Get an appointment with audiologist at Naval Medicine Portsmouth. I went as a H4 H4 and have been fitted with digital hearing aids. They are the dogs danglers and hard to see better than NHS. I am med discharge P8 too.
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  4. I waited for over 6 months for an audiology referral by my med centre and being re-assured the appointment would stand even if I was discharged first, strangely enough I found they spoke with forked tongues.

    After being referred to my local hospitals audiology department by my new GP I received an appointment within 3 weeks and was amazed at the depth of testing compared to what I had seen in the army over the 36 years of serving. My hearing loss worked out greater than what the army had said it was (the army said H2 H3) and I was fitted with the latest "invisible" hearing aids 3 weeks later.

    Unfortunately, having no-one to advise me during the med discharge process, I submitted a claim before I'd had my hearing tested by the NHS so SPVA took the nearest hearing test to the War Pension closing date and awarded me 1%. I appealed informing them of the hearing result on my FMED 23 and my NHS tests but they refuse to re-look at my claim as they say legislation allows them to!

    I repeat, do not claim until you have visited a proper audiology centre, I recommend the NHS wrinkles recommends a service one. Your choice but don't claim until you have.
  5. My final appointment next month is in Peterborough at an NHS hospital, once I have attended that I will book another appointment at my local NHS hospital then submit a claim.

    The Med Sgt is not audio qualified as you rightly state, he is simply cutting and pasting from some med journal and my med docs.

    It's a difficult time right now, not knowing what compensation I might get does not allow me much planning. I have read a document, found through SPVA links, that states someone with my level of hearing loss falls in to "Level 2", this could mean a good payout and possibly GIP but I'm unsure if I'm correct in my understanding. With the results my Med Sgt has stated from my last hearing test I could be classed as "Total Deafness" the definition of total deafness is as follows: “Total deafness” means that the claimant’s bilateral average hearing threshold level is 90dB or more, averaged over 1, 2 and 3kHz, as measured by appropriately calibrated equipment meeting British Standards, operated by trained staff, and using quality assured pure tone audiometry.

    This can be found at the following link under table 7. The Armed Forces and Reserve Forces (Compensation Scheme) Order 2011

    Thanks for the advice
  6. The good news is that SPVA should send you to a hearing specialist who will carry out a very detailed examination of your ears (or they should) which will include an evolked response audiometry which captures the electrical signals produces by your ears when triggeted by sound - you do not press any buttons etc. SPVA cannot argue with these findings so in your case it should strengthen your hand. My only knowledge of this is my personal experience, so I am unsure if SPVA routinely orders an independant test or not - but EScota is correct, get a proper hearing test done asap - if all else fails Specksavers do a free hearing test which will give you a good indicator.
  7. What?
  8. Strangely enough I spoke with someone at a SSAFA BFSG meeting in Brum last Saturday who'd used Specsavers' hearing service and he'd been impressed, up until I pointed out the hearing aids I was wearing that the NHS had provided for free and specsavers were charging £1700 for!
  9. At least you are being dealt with now.I left things way too late,demobbed in '66,tried for compo couple of years ago,profoundly deaf in both ears.No cigar,after independent audiology test,hearing loss was blamed to whatever happened to ears after demob.I should have chased things down much earlier.Unfortunately,sometimes hearing loss does not show up until years after initial cause of damage.Good luck.
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  10. :) just use the hearing test as an indicator - my hearing aids are NHS along with free batteries so cant complain
  11. years back i had test done at RAF Nocton Hall,it was in what can only be descriped as a room with egg boxes all round the roof and walls,you could not hear any thing at all in fact it was a bit unsettling however i passed,every other test i have done in the mod since has been crap,all sorts of background noise,get it done right and fast as soon as you leave the forces your buggered.
  12. I am also out of the Army in May only for me it’s nearly 39 years’ service. I have just had my final medical and have been referred to a Hospital in North Yorkshire for a detailed hearing test. The Doc said that I am as deaf as a door post not surprising as I am a gunner and when I joined in 74 we did not have real ear protection.
    The doctor told me that once I have got my results I should put a claim in with Legion’s help when I am out. The only pain is I am living in Glasgow at the moment.
  13. Just had another hearing test and still classed as H3 in both ears. The Doc turned round and said my hearing went downhill fm 91-99, whilst serving 4.5 yrs of that time in N.I. and the remainder as a No1 Mortarman. Although I've been exposed to noise in those capacities my hearing loss is not classic (whatever that means?).

    This no doubt will form the decision from SPVA regarding AFCS & WP.
  14. I have H3 H4 hearing loss and posted my experience under "med discharge joke" thread. In general, you are going to have a tough time trying to gain any compensation from SPVA for bi lateral noise induced hearing loss. Escotia is on the money on this one, do not, I repeat do not submit a claim until you have left the services.

    A very important feature being used to gauge the level of compensation by the SPVA now is Evoke Response Audiometry (ERA) testing. Basically, it is an audio screening that bypasses any contamination, ie tinnitus, you will find when you have this test your hearing will be better as the tinnitus is avoided. Hence, the possibility of service leavers falling short of the thresholds that warrant a payout.

    I am currently at the appeal stage with the SPVA after 3 years from the initial claim and in that time I have had an out of court settlement. After hours of phone calls to the SPVA and the head audiologist in Gosport it is a difficult thing to prove. The SPVA employ a top audiologist from Manchester that more or less out ranks the Gosport audiologist so even he can't help. Personally, I would ask for an ERA test from your MO this way your hearing will not be H3 H4 if you have tinnitus, at least this way you have a chance of avoiding discharge.

    This is only my experience so others may have alternative advice, good luck mate.

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  15. Just got another letter from SPVA who want me to see one of their Hearing Specialists. They are arranged through Atos Healthcare.

    Has anyone had dealings with these?