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And I doubt that. I travelled back with numerous dead, including first SF killed. No civi firms required!
You are incorrect [re Afghan, that is].
Without getting in to it too much, because it's boring for others, they did.

Not for every cadaver, but they did come out on occasion.

It's strange that you, as Int Corps escorted the body back; as a piece of evidence it should have been accompanied by a service policeman for continuity of evidence. Was there one with you as well, or did you transfer to Int Corps?
 
Without getting in to it too much, because it's boring for others, they did.

Not for every cadaver, but they did come out on occasion.

It's strange that you, as Int Corps escorted the body back; as a piece of evidence it should have been accompanied by a service policeman for continuity of evidence. Was there one with you as well, or did you transfer to Int Corps?
I never escorted them back, they were on the same C-17, they were escorted by 3 oppos of theirs and prob the Snowdrop.
I was travelling back on compassionate.
 
Why? Because I don't feel there's a need to use sensationalist language?

I'm not disputing that these men did some very, very hard fighting.
I will find the article mate, these guys were basically ordered to prepare to be overrun. That is not being sensationalist.
 
I will find the article mate, these guys were basically ordered to prepare to be overrun. That is not being sensationalist.

To be honest it's just my own bias. I just don't like it when that sort of language is used as I feel it's trying to sell a story rather than recount what happened.

Also there's that thing that the media can only deal with one story at a time. Similar scenarios were playing out in now zad, kajaki, and sangin and over the years there have been plenty of troops in various FOB's and PB's who've had a hard time of it but we'll pick a couple of incidents and locations and lionise them. Don't misunderstand me, what those men did was amazing and their story should be told I just don't want people viewing this who don't know much about the conflict to think that this sort of fighting was extraordinary.

I don't think I'm making my point very well but I have a lot of respect for the guys who were there.
 
To be honest it's just my own bias. I just don't like it when that sort of language is used as I feel it's trying to sell a story rather than recount what happened.

Also there's that thing that the media can only deal with one story at a time. Similar scenarios were playing out in now zad, kajaki, and sangin and over the years there have been plenty of troops in various FOB's and PB's who've had a hard time of it but we'll pick a couple of incidents and locations and lionise them. Don't misunderstand me, what those men did was amazing and their story should be told I just don't want people viewing this who don't know much about the conflict to think that this sort of fighting was extraordinary.

I don't think I'm making my point very well but I have a lot of respect for the guys who were there.
But, it was extraordinary.
 

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Not knocking the oke or his oppos, but just from reading the article you'd think it was only the Royal Irish who were at MQ back then.
But then by mentioning the 'other regiment,' it might not be read so sympathetically by some of the locals.

Yes it's a local newspaper covering a local blokes story so it is going to focus on that angle, but as far as I understand it the Royal Irish did make up the majority of the troops there,or have I picked that up wrong ?
 

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Yes it's a local newspaper covering a local blokes story so it is going to focus on that angle, but as far as I understand it the Royal Irish did make up the majority of the troops there,or have I picked that up wrong ?

Bit like that other celebrity Irish o' Tropper Tim Collins with his recent documentary trying to convince the world that the western desert in ww2 was won by Northern Irish generals, no matter how minor their ancestry was. How is it that people that look that proud like Collins and Beatty end up looking so f*c*ing stupid.

If you really want to wind up the NI micks ask them who is WW2 most decorated Northern Irish Soldier, then once they've mention Mayne tell them it was actually a catholic.
 

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Made a pigs ear of that, clearly I meant serviceman, I also quoted the wrong post, can't edit or delete on rops.
 

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For those interested i've just found an excellent write up of the battle of musa qala, on wiki of all places...

Siege of Musa Qala - Wikipedia

Siege of Musa Qala said:
On May 18, the Afghan National Police force in Musa Qala was attacked by insurgents, leaving 20 policemen dead. The British Pathfinder Platoon was deployed to the Musa Qala for five days to assist the police before being replaced by an American unit. On June 14, they were ordered to return to Musa Qala. The 25-strong Pathfinder Platoon, commanded by Major Nick Wight-Boycott, was primarily a mobile reconnaissance unit, and thus not best suited for garrison duties. However, the Battle Group's resources were already stretched and there were no other units available.
Siege of Musa Qala said:
The garrison had now run out of food and water, and were reduced to drinking goats milk, while their ammunition was also running low, and they had no more batteries for their night vision devices. The Taliban chose July 24 to launch their largest attack against the district centre, in the form of a concerted assault by 300 militants against every side of the base.

The attack opened with an RPG strike that destroyed one of the sangars, causing a Danish soldier to fall outside the compound. Private Mark Wilson of the Pathfinders used an old bedstead to climb the compound wall and help the injured Dane to safety under enemy fire, for which he was later awarded the Military Cross. Air support took 90 minutes to arrive, during which the base was subjected to continuous fire,

 

No.4 Mk.1

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For those interested i've just found an excellent write up of the battle of musa qala, on wiki of all places...

Siege of Musa Qala - Wikipedia




Some more of it here, corresponding with a lot said on the Heroes of Helmand program and adding detail:
The following day, a delegation of 60 elders visited the district centre in order to discuss the situation with Major Adam Jowett. The visit convinced Jowett that their plan was serious, and in the afternoon, a shura took place in the desert west of Musa Qala. The British were represented by Brigadier Butler, and by a Foreign Office representative. The elders were accompanied by men dressed in black, that Butler identified as Taliban, but who stayed in the background and took no part in the discussion. General Richards had insisted that if the ceasefire held out for one month, both sides could then withdraw, and leave control of the town to its inhabitants. The elders agreed, and promised to supply the garrison with food and water
Siege of Musa Qala - Wikipedia
 

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And this about casualties & evacuations:
On September 1, one such mortar attack killed Ranger Anare Draiva, and mortally wounded Corporal Paul Muirhead of the Royal Irish Regiment.

On September 2, six more British troops were injured, and three days later, the Taliban once again tried to storm the base, but were repelled by the defenders with air support from Harriers and A-10s.

On September 6, a casevac Chinook was flown into Musa Qala to evacuate two wounded soldiers who had suffered shrapnel wounds from mortar rounds, but the Taliban were expecting the move, and opened a heavy fire at the helicopter, forcing it to turn back. On returning to Camp Bastion, the crew found that their aircraft had been hit by four rounds, one of which had almost severed a rotor blade. Another casevac mission was flown into Musa Qala later the same day, but this time it was escorted by Apaches, A-10s and an AC-130 Spectre gunship, that suppressed the Taliban, enabling the Chinook to complete its mission.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Musa_Qala
 
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And this about casualties & evacuations:
How you getting on coping with the struggle about your 'anger' and 'moral injury' over the attack on Bastion?...... the one where, no one you know or had even met, from a unit not even part of the British Army suffered KIA RIP


If the advice from your (alleged) shrink doesn't help, I know a few blokes who will be happy to have a chat with you to help you get over over it......



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How you getting on coping with the struggle about your 'anger' and 'moral injury' over the attack on Bastion?...... the one where, no one you know or had even met, from a unit not even part of the British Army suffered KIA RIP


If the advice from your (alleged) shrink doesn't help, I know a few blokes who will be happy to have a chat with your to help you get over over it......



Bryan-Adams-Wounded-8.jpg


c649550f85731f7309c4c3f522aaecc5.jpg


article-1223834-0702793F000005DC-746_634x421.jpg
He was a bit busy taking happy snaps to have got to know anyone, the ****
 

Bris

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How you getting on coping with the struggle about your 'anger' and 'moral injury' over the attack on Bastion?...... the one where, no one you know or had even met, from a unit not even part of the British Army suffered KIA RIP


If the advice from your (alleged) shrink doesn't help, I know a few blokes who will be happy to have a chat with your to help you get over over it......



Bryan-Adams-Wounded-8.jpg


c649550f85731f7309c4c3f522aaecc5.jpg


article-1223834-0702793F000005DC-746_634x421.jpg
I was at uni with one of those in the bottom photo - an absolute top bloke. He wrote quite a funny piece about the IED that took his leg - I'll try and dig it out.

See below. He also did a photo shoot for GQ once able!
 
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