Head of the British Army "reserves are almost non-existent"

#3
Have you not been reading the TA forum for the last 3 years?

msr
 
#4
Fugly said:
Accurate.

We're stretched thinner than two Jocks fighting over a penny.
Or thinner than England's chances of winning the World Cup. On penalities. Against Portugal... :twisted:
 
#5
It's a fair cop MSR - I was using irony - give it ten minutes and I'll form an orderely queue with Ranters Anonymous!

The words "Reap what you so", "sign of the times" and "the government's support of the regular and reserve forces is farcical" spring to mind.

Be interested to see how big a story this is (where said, and to who) and how much impact it will make.
 
#7
In the memo, leaked to the Daily Telegraph, General Sir Richard Dannatt said the Army was undermanned because of operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

He also said vital equipment was being used "at the edge of sustainability".

A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence said the forces were working hard but the current situation was "manageable".

General Dannatt also said the Army has "almost no capability to react to the unexpected".


Why is there always some dickwad from the MoD who contracts what the CGS or anyone else says. SFTU
 
#8
Just been on news at 10, is this just an equipment/resupply issue or a manning issue do we think? (or bit of both?). Every one knows troops don't have enough recovery time. News of guys buying Med kit etc if true is showing some major holes that are going to only get very large very quick. Resupply is only as good as the reserves that are held.
 
#9
It will be covered on 'Newsnight' shortly.
 
#10
The 'reserve' has been deployed. There really is nothing left. See the threads in the TA forum ad nauseam

But at least this is now beng officially ackonwledged.
 
#11
Liam Fox (Cons Defence):

"They are being asked to carry out tasks for which they are neither funded or equipped for. There is an urgent need to review our strategic approach because we cannot continue over-stretching our Forces."
Well Liam, funding equals equipping, and this urgent need has been present for the best part of five years - some would say more. Maybe, with a more robust opposition to Labour's "management" of the Defence Budget, the UK military wouldn't have collectively, had the pizz taken out of it.
 
#12
cynical_stab said:
The 'reserve' has been deployed. There really is nothing left. See the threads in the TA forum ad nauseam

But at least this is now beng officially ackonwledged.
Ok, so the reserve (TA) has gone. What is needed from what remains? Troop levels are due to reduce on Telic, roulmonts (Spelling) are in place, troops even if stretched know what they're doing. What is needed of the troops that are available? Surely this is just an equipment issue. Kit is wearing out, cannot be purchased quick enough.

If reserves are needed then why not call up reservists? No recall so far or am I wrong? I hope I am. Kit is easier to replace than troops.
 
#13
cynical_stab said:
In the memo, leaked to the Daily Telegraph, General Sir Richard Dannatt said the Army was undermanned because of operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

He also said vital equipment was being used "at the edge of sustainability".

A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence said the forces were working hard but the current situation was "manageable".

General Dannatt also said the Army has "almost no capability to react to the unexpected".


Why is there always some dickwad from the MoD who contracts what the CGS or anyone else says. SFTU
Because the ministery of truth within the media ops part of the MOD are mostly c0ckstand w^nkers

Thanks to the politicalization of the CS all news can only be good news.

The weakness of the general staff to tell the truth of the consequences of the last 2 defence reviews Versus's operational realitys.

The fact that the government are fight two wars with an extended airbrigde on a peacetime training budget, and have no real long term operational plan! Other than hope the Bad people stop!

The S of S for defence and his merry band are all profesional and complete cnuts.

No one listened to the sharp end of the TA or reserve's at all for the last 5 years +.

etc etc etc ...................... just makes me fcuking grrrrrrrrrl
 
#14
Maybe General Jackson should take time out of writing his £1m memoirs to explain why he signed up to fight a war on 2 fronts?

This crisis was so easy to predict, I cannot believe the current "Top Brass" have the temerity to stay in post.

CGS is the only senior officer to present a different point of view to his red rosette wearing, over-stretch denying, military colleagues. He is the only senior officer worth listening to.

As for Gordon Brown, it won't take the British people long to figure him out.
 
#15
nigegilb said:
As for Gordon Brown, it won't take the British people long to figure him out.
They never figured-out T.B.Liar. They're too apathetic to do anything about Broon even if they get an inkling, and too far removed from the Armed Forces.
 
#16
Cow said:
cynical_stab said:
The 'reserve' has been deployed. There really is nothing left. See the threads in the TA forum ad nauseam

If reserves are needed then why not call up reservists? No recall so far or am I wrong? I hope I am. Kit is easier to replace than troops.
Because in many cases calling up reservists requires more training time.

Remember that reserve service is the balance of your 22 years after discharge thus!

Trooper snooks joined up 10 years ago and did let us say 6 years he has a reserve liabilty of 16 years! and while if he had a specialist trade he may have slightly different liabilty its Bayonets Donkey Wallopers and Long Range Snipersthat are required ASAP.

But back too Tpr Snooks! Since leaving he has done no military training or fitness, not to mention he may well either think its 'Tonk' to go too war perhaps his employer wife kids etc play the 'your not going card'.

The whole reserve thing was geared towards the german plains and WW3 not 'police actions', which is why like it or not the TA has always been the real reserve.
 
#17
Pitster said:
nigegilb said:
As for Gordon Brown, it won't take the British people long to figure him out.
They never figured-out T.B.Liar. They're too apathetic to do anything about Broon even if they get an inkling, and too far removed from the Armed Forces.
The public worked him out before 2005, and voted for him anyway.
 
#18
Loathe though I am to be fair to PR types, they're not contradicting CGS - para 6 of the leaked document says:

"In sum, with regard to support to current operations, the situation remains manageable, but I am very concerned about the longer term implications of the impact of this level of operations on our people, equipment and future operational capability"

The Torygraph is current hosting an image of the document in the story it's running on this - click
 
#19
To have insufficient(or no) reserves is a serious strategic mistake.Only the resignation of a few senior officers,is likely to change things,and make the politicos sit up,and take notice.

Shortages of manpower are due to several factors-e.g back to back tours,low morale due to pay and medical cockups(and admin foul ups generally),combined with low recruiting.Why should a young man suffer long periods of separation from family etc,on 'home' postings?Further ,lack of time for training,debilitates operational units.

And that's just a start.....
 
#20
"The situation remains manageable".

That view is very debatable, if deaths of British servicemen and women are to be treated as at an "acceptable level". Some of us remember the 1970s, and the deeply stupid political remarks of this sort made then, and which were made in defiance of the facts.

You'd think the swine had learnt, you really would. Why did it have to be one of the more thoughtful of our military leaders who said that? Does he have much more of a career to manage? Why does he think that the long-term defence of the nation is not worth arguing for in this paper (admittedly it looks like it was taken from a trashcan). Could it be that he has given up on the long-term defence of the nation, in the face of this appalling government? I despair.
 

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