Head-Dress & Embellishments

#1
What are the rules for ex-regular's wearing their old regiment/corps beret & badge when an A.I. in charge of Cadets?

I have just seen 3 differant berets badges on one mini-bus!

On the same vain, what regular army qualifications or embellishments can an A.I. wear?
 
#2
i would say it is a local issue, it up to the local county Commandant, in practice i haven't heard any major problems as long as it is earned.

by the same token some ex regulars and TA bods don't bother wearing it as in their view "Its not the Army just a youth organisation" again its up to the individuals in question , myself personally i would have no objections whatsoever if they choose to wear it.
 
#3
Well we wear the Sherwood foresters regiment badge at school (CCF) but the CO wears the tankies badge.
 
#4
Not bothered either way! Just interested to see how many in fact do it, and if entitlement is checked. One was a Maroon Beret with RE Badge for example, even in the regular army you can only wear when posted within 16 AA Brigade (or 5 AB before that)
 
#5
Does that include training? Ive seen training screws in the engineers wearing them.


Ive seen RGBW detachments with IG Adult Instructors.
 
#6
As far as JSP 336 goes (Dress Regs) Trainers within ATRA shouldn't be wearing them! I have heard of other training units wearing them as well!

http://www.ams.mod.uk\ams\content\docs\jsp336\3rd_ed\vol12\pt3\pam15\s5.doc

15. Airborne, Marine and Army Air Corps. Respectively, the maroon, green and light blue beret is only to be worn by:

a. Maroon Airborne Forces beret.

(1) All ranks of the Parachute Regiment, both Regular Army and TA, wherever serving with all orders of dress.

(2) Qualified personnel of supporting arms and services serving on the establishment of 16 Air Asslt Bde.

(3) Qualified other ranks serving in RA and RE parachute units.

(4) All ranks posted out of 16 Air Asslt Bde cease to wear the airborne forces beret, except those described in Para 15a(3) above and para 15d below.

b. Green RM beret.

(1) All ranks serving with 3 Cdo Bde who have passed the RM Commando Course may wear the green beret. When on parade with RM, green berets are only to be worn if RM are wearing them on that parade themselves.

(2) All ranks posted out of 3 Cdo Bde cease to wear the RM green beret, except for those qualified other ranks serving in RA, RE and RLC Cdo units.

c. Light blue AAC beret.

(1) All ranks who are posted to AAC units for technical and non-technical duties are to wear the light blue AAC beret with their Regimental cap badge and uniform with all orders of dress. See Para 15c(3) for variations concerning aircrew.

(2) In REME aircraft workshops RLC and REME personnel are to wear the light blue AAC beret with their own corps badge and uniform.

(3) WO and NCO pilots, when attached to AAC are to wear the light blue AAC beret with the AAC badge; otherwise they will wear their normal regimental or corps uniform.

d. Recruiters. Personnel serving with recruiting teams may wear the green RM beret or the maroon airborne forces beret provided that they are qualified in respect of the green beret and that their last tour was with 16 Air Asslt Bde in respect of the maroon beret.

Interesting point highlighted? How does "Qualified personnel of supporting arms and services serving on the establishment of 16 Air Asslt Bde" become everybody in 16 Air Asslt Bde?
 
#7
Mike_2817 said:
Interesting point highlighted? How does "Qualified personnel of supporting arms and services serving on the establishment of 16 Air Asslt Bde" become everybody in 16 Air Asslt Bde?
Walting, ignorance, somebody not doing his job?

P
 
#8
Mike_2817 said:
What are the rules for ex-regular's wearing their old regiment/corps beret & badge when an A.I. in charge of Cadets?

I have just seen 3 differant berets badges on one mini-bus!

On the same vain, what regular army qualifications or embellishments can an A.I. wear?
Technically no CFAV should wear the cap badge/ head dress of their previous regiment, and understandably a lot of ex-regs resent this, but if they are as professional as they are trying to make out by wearing their ex-regimental head dress then can they really complain about wearing the head dress/ capbadge of a regiment they are merely affiliated to twice weekly?

Wings, daggers and diving helmets have been a bone of contention in our county ACF for a long time now and the official line from Bde now is no one can wear them unless they are current in that qualification. Implementing that rule however is a mighty challenge for our RSM.

Moving onto brigade flashes nowadays the rule seems to have changed from; no one can wear them, to only officers can wear them, to no one can wear them, to no one knows if they can wear them! Can anyone shed any light on this subject? Would be interesting what woopert says about this as he is within my brigade, or so it would seem from his avatar!
 
#9
illbeamonkeysoon said:
Wings, daggers and diving helmets have been a bone of contention in our county ACF for a long time now and the official line from Bde now is no one can wear them unless they are current in that qualification. Implementing that rule however is a mighty challenge for our RSM.
In the Regular Army these badges may be worn in perpetuity once they are earned! Staying current in the qualification only effects specialist pay!

So how can the 'powers that be' go against that? As long as it is in the Soldiers Red Discharge Book that he completed the relivent course!

http://www.ams.mod.uk/ams/content/docs/jsp336/3rd_ed/vol12/pt3/pam15/s3.doc

7. Badges worn in perpetuity. The following badges may be worn in perpetuity by all ranks who have qualified for them, according to the regulations set out in this pamphlet and in Dress Regulations for Officers of the Army, subject to the limitations imposed on the number of badges which may be worn in accordance with Paras 6, 8 and 9:

1 Air Despatch badge
2 EITHER the Army Pilot badge OR the Aviation Aircrewman badge
3 EITHER the Parachute badge OR the Parachute with wings badge OR the Parachute with wings SAS badge
4 Ammunition Technician or Technical Officers badge
5 Chief Engineer's OR Chief Ocean Watckeeper's badge
6 The Commando badge
7 Army Divers badge
8 Army 100 badge
9 TA 50 badge
10 Special Observer badge
JSP 336 Vol 12 makes interesting reading!
 
#10
illbeamonkeysoon said:
Mike_2817 said:
What are the rules for ex-regular's wearing their old regiment/corps beret & badge when an A.I. in charge of Cadets?

I have just seen 3 differant berets badges on one mini-bus!

On the same vain, what regular army qualifications or embellishments can an A.I. wear?
Technically no CFAV should wear the cap badge/ head dress of their previous regiment, and understandably a lot of ex-regs resent this, but if they are as professional as they are trying to make out by wearing their ex-regimental head dress then can they really complain about wearing the head dress/ capbadge of a regiment they are merely affiliated to twice weekly?

Wings, daggers and diving helmets have been a bone of contention in our county ACF for a long time now and the official line from Bde now is no one can wear them unless they are current in that qualification. Implementing that rule however is a mighty challenge for our RSM.

Moving onto brigade flashes nowadays the rule seems to have changed from; no one can wear them, to only officers can wear them, to no one can wear them, to no one knows if they can wear them! Can anyone shed any light on this subject? Would be interesting what woopert says about this as he is within my brigade, or so it would seem from his avatar!
No member of the ACF(regardless of rank) is permitted to wear any regular or territorial formation badges. This extends to Tactical Recognition Flashes (TRFs) worn by regular or territorial units. This was recently clarified in a letter from land at the same time as the union flag "can they, can;t they" debate !
 
#11
A Flt Lt on my wing confuses every one ,lightt blue uniform,AAC Observers wings,Para wings and Commando badge his usual reply is "Yes I did earn them and yes I am allowed to wear them" as he is of rather large build now he gets some very strange looks.
 
#12
AS FAR AS I LAST SAW ADULTS WITHIN LINCOLNSHIRE ACF WHO ARE CAP BADGED GRENADIER GUARDS WEAR THE GUARDS FLASH TOP RIGHT SHOULDER. THE GUARDS THEMSELVES HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS IT BRINGS THE CADETS AND THEIR AFFILIATED REGIMENTS CLOSER TOGETHER, ALSO AS A QUALIFIED SNIPER INSTRUCTOR WHO ALSO EARNED HIS JUMP WINGS AT ALDERSHOT, IF A COUNTY COMMANDANT WITH SAY ONE MEDAL DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO WEAR YOUR BADGES, IS THIS JEALOUSY OR **** RETENTION ON HIS PART?
 
#14
wo1slashedpeak said:
AS FAR AS I LAST SAW ADULTS WITHIN LINCOLNSHIRE ACF WHO ARE CAP BADGED GRENADIER GUARDS WEAR THE GUARDS FLASH TOP RIGHT SHOULDER. THE GUARDS THEMSELVES HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS IT BRINGS THE CADETS AND THEIR AFFILIATED REGIMENTS CLOSER TOGETHER, ALSO AS A QUALIFIED SNIPER INSTRUCTOR WHO ALSO EARNED HIS JUMP WINGS AT ALDERSHOT, IF A COUNTY COMMANDANT WITH SAY ONE MEDAL DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO WEAR YOUR BADGES, IS THIS JEALOUSY OR **** RETENTION ON HIS PART?
Or is it just you thinking you are something now you are just ACF?
 
#15
Currently in my county we have a mish mash of people wearing berets they were issued in their regular service, The RSM is ex AAC but wears RA beret and badge, a couple of guys are ex Para and wear the maroon, I don't particularly think that that is a problem especially when we have a few serving Para's help us out on camp's occasionally and they have no problem with it, where I would suggest the line is drawn is at the people who did 12 months as a clerk in the AGC or what ever insisting that they are entitled to wear their previous Corps beret.

I think what I am getting at is spec quals (where the beret has been earned, Para or Commando) fine, A N other regiment just to be different wrong, get with the groove fellas how can we instill a bit of pride into the cadets for their affiliated regiment if we aren't prepared to wear their beret.

Zippy483
 
#16
Mike_2817 said:
As far as JSP 336 goes (Dress Regs) Trainers within ATRA shouldn't be wearing them! I have heard of other training units wearing them as well!

http://www.ams.mod.uk\ams\content\docs\jsp336\3rd_ed\vol12\pt3\pam15\s5.doc

15. Airborne, Marine and Army Air Corps. Respectively, the maroon, green and light blue beret is only to be worn by:

d. Recruiters. Personnel serving with recruiting teams may wear the green RM beret or the maroon airborne forces beret provided that they are qualified in respect of the green beret and that their last tour was with 16 Air Asslt Bde in respect of the maroon beret.
Yes mate the blokes who have Passed the courses wear their berets in training regiments and always have, I think the para above describes the situation a bit although ot sure wheer the reg is. But they do wear their berets as a recruiting tool when they're there.
 
#17
From my hazy memory of ACF Regulations, former Airborne or Commando personnel are encouraged to wear their previous head dress with whatever cap badge their unit is affiliated to so long as they can provide a letter from their preivous unit confirming entitlement.

I've seen maroon berets with LI and PWO badges on and it looks damned odd!
 
#18
its one thing wearing hte badge/beret of your cadet unit and another of a regular unit - surely everyone at a cadet unit should wear the same badge and beret.

If ex-regs want to wear their own then they should find a detachment/unit at cadets that is affiliated to the regular unit.

i.e an ex-para that wants to wear his maroon beret can do so but only if their cadet unit belongs to the paras etc

How can you teach respect and pride in a unit/detachment, if everyone there is wearing different badges?
 
#19
wow the opportunities for waltdom abound!

I could for example wear a Caubeen with an HAC cap badge over the right eye, or wear a rather large LIR crowned Tara harp on the Household Div HAC beret, thats two weekends covered, then I could just put the right badges on the right hats, that's another two covered.

Then I could gather the poor innocents around the campfire, saying, "when I was with the 83rd...."
 
#20
GreenBaby said:
its one thing wearing hte badge/beret of your cadet unit and another of a regular unit - surely everyone at a cadet unit should wear the same badge and beret.

If ex-regs want to wear their own then they should find a detachment/unit at cadets that is affiliated to the regular unit.

i.e an ex-para that wants to wear his maroon beret can do so but only if their cadet unit belongs to the paras etc

How can you teach respect and pride in a unit/detachment, if everyone there is wearing different badges?
Same badges yes.

If you have earned the Maroon or Green machine then you should wear it, the lads went through enough hardship to wear it in the first place.
 
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