HBSA Wapenshaw 14th December

#1
Any Arrsers attending the above?
I understand that the HAC are relinquishing their clubhouse lease back to the NRA so this may be the last occaision we have our pre Christmas steak and kidney pie lunch in there.

Ugly are you doing it again this year?






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ugly

LE
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#2
I'm hoping to I'll email the range coordinator and book myself in. I thought it was next weekend for some reason and wouldnt be able to make the date!
I'll only be bringing one rifle though and that depends on a few issues.
 

ugly

LE
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#3
Henry, you do know its at 600 yards?
I'm in two minds as the 200 yards of previous years is great for sporting rifles and I'm working flat out to get my swede on the road again!
I hope the HAC are only moving to another lodge, if not its another nail in the coffin!
 
#4
Yes 600 yards, that surprised me a bit! :(

I intend to take the Long Lee and possibly a post war wire bound Indian Smellie; I have been working on a Mk VI load for the Long Lee, 215 Grn bullets from "BES Bullets" who advertise in "Report" over 36.3 Grns of VihtaVouri N160, it's slower as you know then N140 and seems to like the longer barrel on the Long lee.

In truth I'm only going for the steak and kidney pie! :D



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#5
Henry_Tombs said:
Yes 600 yards, that surprised me a bit! :(

I intend to take the Long Lee and possibly a post war wire bound Indian Smellie; I have been working on a Mk VI load for the Long Lee, 215 Grn bullets from "BES Bullets" who advertise in "Report" over 36.3 Grns of VihtaVouri N160, it's slower as you know then N140 and seems to like the longer barrel on the Long lee.

In truth I'm only going for the steak and kidney pie! :D



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BES bullets? Care to enlighten me?
 

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LE
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#6
I'm tempted to turn up and eat which is an option, my oldest lad is always in favour of this!
 
#7
EX_STAB said:
BES bullets? Care to enlighten me?
They advertise in the Journals of both the HBSA and LERA; the main claim to fame is the 215 Grn round nose bullet, I was a touch dubious as they are .310" and most Enfields of the age of my Long Lee would prefer at the minium a .311" or even as much as a .315", however having loaded some the other day I found myself knocking over the Fig 11 @ 300 yards on the ETR at Longmoor, something I have struggled to do with Mk VII bullets in the Long Lee before.
They also swage MH 577-450, Long Range Sharps and 577 Enfield.

BES Bullets
Orchard House
Leys Lane
Hampole
Doncaster
DN6 7ES
Tel: 01302 330726

Malcolm Seller & Dennis Chamber are the names on the paper work, I paid £12.50 for 50x 215 Grn + £5 p+p.

In fact I'm so pleased I have just ordered another 50!
 
#8
Henry_Tombs said:
EX_STAB said:
BES bullets? Care to enlighten me?
They advertise in the Journals of both the HBSA and LERA; the main claim to fame is the 215 Grn round nose bullet, I was a touch dubious as they are .310" and most Enfields of the age of my Long Lee would prefer at the minium a .311" or even as much as a .315", however having loaded some the other day I found myself knocking over the Fig 11 @ 300 yards on the ETR at Longmoor, something I have struggled to do with Mk VII bullets in the Long Lee before.
They also swage MH 577-450, Long Range Sharps and 577 Enfield.

BES Bullets
Orchard House
Leys Lane
Hampole
Doncaster
DN6 7ES
Tel: 01302 330726

Malcolm Seller & Dennis Chamber are the names on the paper work, I paid £12.50 for 50x 215 Grn + £5 p+p.

In fact I'm so pleased I have just ordered another 50!
Sounds worth pursuing. I've been hoping to replicate the pre MkVII loads for some while.Are they copper jacketed? The Australian 215 gr round nose that Kynoch load are steel and gilding metal.
 
#9
Yes copper jacketed, the ogive is a touch fuller than the original but certainly the best I have come across as per the spirit of original.
 

ugly

LE
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#10
Ah the magical spirit of the original, if only other members played ball rather than loading lead cast pills at just enough ME!
 

ugly

LE
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#11
Just heard from our range organiser that the HAC is quitting Bisley completely, end of an era and a sad event! I suppose the club will be empty and falling down within a year as no one will take on the NRA and the charges!
Apparently the ending of CILOER has a lot to do with it. Mr FM and I were discussing an HAC whip round but even if its saved it still needs running as a business and opening doors to orgs such as BASC, NGO etc would be great!
 

ugly

LE
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#13
Sorry fat fingers and pished CILOR!
 
#14
Not pished at this end but still lacking an understanding of CILOR?
 

ugly

LE
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#15
I think its a TA means of paying people or was, you need to ask in the TA thread or do a search!
 
#16
At last!
The explanation I have been waiting forty years for:
CILOR

This tells me exactly why I had to stop all the traffic in Larkhill all those years ago and why the driver of the Wilts & Dorset bus told me to "Fcuk Off" and stop interfering with his time table! :D
 

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LE
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#17
That makes sense but is sad none the less!
 

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