Havin' an issue with disclosing a previous employer HELP!!!!

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MischievousMonkey

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Hiya

Not sure if I posted this in the right part but if I didn't apologies. Im kinda havin' a small issue with my AFCO application as my previous employer was the US.Army. Although I served as a civillian.

If I am to disclose this info on my application, my worry runs that they would check this into further details. I asked at the afco where they said they'd only contact the people I had said that they could. However I am aware that further checks would be run on myself regardless of what is placed on the application and I am also well aware lieing to the British Army is not a clever idea.

It's not so much an issue that I've done anything drastic, however the US.Army are under no durisdiction to disclose any info about myself and would under no circumstance disclose unless it was to US.Army personnel; provided they had info such as my service number. It is illegal for myself to disclose this info to the British Army infact anyone for that matter just as it is the same for what we did in Afghan etc etc (as I imagine is more or less the same for anyone working for the British Army) basically I suppose you'd call it being held by a secrecy act.

Although the bloke at my afco was dead canny and said he couldn't see an issue, it was up to myself if I left it on or not. I don't wanna be stuck with myself not disclosing it incase they do check it and knowing the US.Army wouldn't disclose the info without my service number which as I explained is illegal for me to pass on, I don't want it to cause an issue. However I don't want to get all the way to the army and then they find out and me be severely screwed because they want to know why I didn't disclose the info and then have the issue of the US.Army refusing to disclose anything and/or again me being stuck in a situation where I am held by a secrecy act.

I really don't know how to deal with this situation and I am well aware it's not your bog standard situation either. Im sure others will have been in similar issues however geuss there's not many of us. Any opinions would be gratefully welcomed.

Thanks

Monkey
 
#2
Hiya

Not sure if I posted this in the right part but if I didn't apologies. Im kinda havin' a small issue with my AFCO application as my previous employer was the US.Army. Although I served as a civillian.

If I am to disclose this info on my application, my worry runs that they would check this into further details. I asked at the afco where they said they'd only contact the people I had said that they could. However I am aware that further checks would be run on myself regardless of what is placed on the application and I am also well aware lieing to the British Army is not a clever idea.

It's not so much an issue that I've done anything drastic, however the US.Army are under no durisdiction to disclose any info about myself and would under no circumstance disclose unless it was to US.Army personnel; provided they had info such as my service number. It is illegal for myself to disclose this info to the British Army infact anyone for that matter just as it is the same for what we did in Afghan etc etc (as I imagine is more or less the same for anyone working for the British Army) basically I suppose you'd call it being held by a secrecy act.

Although the bloke at my afco was dead canny and said he couldn't see an issue, it was up to myself if I left it on or not. I don't wanna be stuck with myself not disclosing it incase they do check it and knowing the US.Army wouldn't disclose the info without my service number which as I explained is illegal for me to pass on, I don't want it to cause an issue. However I don't want to get all the way to the army and then they find out and me be severely screwed because they want to know why I didn't disclose the info and then have the issue of the US.Army refusing to disclose anything and/or again me being stuck in a situation where I am held by a secrecy act.

I really don't know how to deal with this situation and I am well aware it's not your bog standard situation either. Im sure others will have been in similar issues however geuss there's not many of us. Any opinions would be gratefully welcomed.

Thanks

Monkey
So, you were a Clerk then?

And you need to sort out that crustation around your mouth, the Doc won't like it.

It is illegal for myself to disclose this info to the British Army infact anyone for that matter just as it is the same for what we did in Afghan etc etc
Really?
 
#3
How do you have a service number when you were a civilian employee ?

And when did Americans start using the word "canny" ?
 
#4
Its illegal in the US to disclose to anyone that you served in the US Army? Really? So, erm, those guys at the airport, in uniform, are just 'walts', eh. And all those who pop up at various places in uniform?

You served as a civilian, in the US Army, in Afghanistan. Was there a nose touch at the end, there?
 
#5
As far as I know (and I may well be wrong) Yanks do not have service numbers. They use their social security number. I stand ready to be corrected by anyone who knows better.
 
#6
Someone is a tad confused here! There is no need to lie. Tell them who employed you. If that person/organisation is contacted and refuses to co-operate, for legitimate reasons, it is not your problem.
 
#7
It is illegal for myself to disclose this info to the British Army infact anyone for that matter just as it is the same for what we did in Afghan etc etc (as I imagine is more or less the same for anyone working for the British Army) basically I suppose you'd call it being held by a secrecy act.
Well, we've never heard that one before.
 
#8
I wonder if he was the second man in Bin Laden's bedroom.
 
#9
Hiya

Not sure if I posted this in the right part but if I didn't apologies. Im kinda havin' a small issue with my AFCO application as my previous employer was the US.Army. Although I served as a civillian.

If I am to disclose this info on my application, my worry runs that they would check this into further details. I asked at the afco where they said they'd only contact the people I had said that they could. However I am aware that further checks would be run on myself regardless of what is placed on the application and I am also well aware lieing to the British Army is not a clever idea.

It's not so much an issue that I've done anything drastic, however the US.Army are under no durisdiction to disclose any info about myself and would under no circumstance disclose unless it was to US.Army personnel; provided they had info such as my service number. It is illegal for myself to disclose this info to the British Army infact anyone for that matter just as it is the same for what we did in Afghan etc etc (as I imagine is more or less the same for anyone working for the British Army) basically I suppose you'd call it being held by a secrecy act.

Although the bloke at my afco was dead canny and said he couldn't see an issue, it was up to myself if I left it on or not. I don't wanna be stuck with myself not disclosing it incase they do check it and knowing the US.Army wouldn't disclose the info without my service number which as I explained is illegal for me to pass on, I don't want it to cause an issue. However I don't want to get all the way to the army and then they find out and me be severely screwed because they want to know why I didn't disclose the info and then have the issue of the US.Army refusing to disclose anything and/or again me being stuck in a situation where I am held by a secrecy act.

I really don't know how to deal with this situation and I am well aware it's not your bog standard situation either. Im sure others will have been in similar issues however geuss there's not many of us. Any opinions would be gratefully welcomed.

Thanks

Monkey
Ok then. You're a tosser.
 
#11
As far as I know (and I may well be wrong) Yanks do not have service numbers. They use their social security number. I stand ready to be corrected by anyone who knows better.
Absolutely correct! When I did an exchange with the Septics in the mid-1990s, it confused the hell out them when I gave them my Army No. for my US dogtags (they wouldn't let me wear my Brit issued ones). They wanted to put my NI number on the bloody things.
 
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Mr_Tigger

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#13
Always tell the full truth from the outset and for goodness sake don't worry. Having worn two different uniforms in my life I can understand that when approaching disclosuers it can be a little unnerving, but you will not have been the first person to be in such a situation and the people who deal with you shall understand this.
 

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As part of a wider information assurance issue US service personnel now get a DOD ID number for their CAC etc and no longer use their Social Security number. I know this as I have my DOD CAC card and number.
 
#17
Off-topic, but how does that work for normal stuff in the US? You need an SSN to fart basically. A driving license as an example. Getting kids in school. Opening a bank account or getting credit. How does it work for leave travel in and out of the country? I know there's a specific visa for foreign military staff, but I thought that was for NATO staffs, and attaches etc, rather than exchanges. For all intents and purposes, you're part of the US Unit, not filling a formal post for foreign types. Just curious.
I honestly do not know - I was a Lt at the time and was not involved in the paperwork chain, but I was part of the US unit and I did wear US-issued uniform with my beret and assault boots.
 
#19
First time I went to Canada with 50 Fd we were located near a US army unit who were on exercise. One of our blokes gashed himself in the leg with a chainsaw (spectacular, blood everywhere, wish I could find the pics) and I accompanied him, along with a medic to the Canadian military hospital.

Checked our bloke in and within a short while he was being sorted out. But somewhere nearby there was a bit of drama being played out.

A couple of doctors and a nurse came through a door with twitching faces and then collapsed into guffaws of laughter.

The door opened again and I saw a bloke, a Pvt, in US army uniform laying on a bed. He looked about 18 with an improbably short, styled haircut.

Apparently he had fallen of the back of a truck and had badly broken his leg. A compound fracture in fact. The Canadian army doctors wanted to give him an anaesthetic so they could set his leg. But every time they suggested it he refused on the grounds that he might give away his country's secrets whilst under the influence of the anaesthetic.

I presume the secrets he was worried about divulging were the ingredients to Moms Apple Pie.
 
#20
Yes but your case was different. You knew what BID stood for. The US guy was a callow yoof, probably straight out of training.

It happened to me too in Germany but the only thing the army was worried about in my case was the Chairmans finding out how big my mess bill was.
 

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