Have tanks had their day?

#1
#2
The arrival of utterly lethal ATGM's like Javelin has writen the tanks obituary.
What good is £2 million of steel and high tech when a bloke with a £50k missile can kill it at will.
 

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#3
there's always been that battle between a tank and ant armor though. give it time and they'll mount baby phalanx on the top of them to shoot down said javelins, milans etc..

not sure if they are dead or not but they should be moved somewhere safe until they work it out rather than turning them into bean cans like everything else.
 
#5
Fair point, but the same argument was made for manned fighters, and that turned out to be premature. It could well be that tanks have reached their ultimate form, but if they can't survive would that not also imply that AFVs in general are finished?

What will future battlefield transport look like? Remote controlled vehicles? Or will the infantry and artillery dominate again?
 
#6
Tanks have their place, mostly for killing other tanks. Given that we are unlikely to be engaging anyone with AFV's in any kind of quantity and have multiple means of killing them anyway what does a tank bring to the party?
 
#7
The difference between the calls for manned fighter ac and tanks being obsolete is that a tank can only traverse in 2 dimensions and at a fraction of the speed that ATGM fly, whilst fighters can bust moves in all 3 and at a much more competitive lick. If tanks can sort out their countermeasures then they might edge back into the useful category. This is all in reference to conventional warfare however

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#8
MBT's very effective once in theatre but,well,there a lot of buts.I suppose 90 years ago,we would be saying the same about horses.
 
#9
Tanks have their place, mostly for killing other tanks. Given that we are unlikely to be engaging anyone with AFV's in any kind of quantity and have multiple means of killing them anyway what does a tank bring to the party?
Not much but they do look ******* nails and I always used to think that as they roared past spewing up sand and dust. Can we keep them cos they look cool?


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Grumblegrunt

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#10
same goes for apcs but you still need something to get the crunchies too and from the battlefield safely. tanks can also be used as artillery which might be their future.

I thought our main problem is they shut the factory which makes the bullets?
 
#11
same goes for apcs but you still need something to get the crunchies too and from the battlefield safely. tanks can also be used as artillery which might be their future.

I thought our main problem is they shut the factory which makes the bullets?
Being artillery rather precludes being a tank though. APC and CVR(T) will still have a role as will SP Guns. What will an MBT do?
 

Schaden

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#12
Not every force has those £50k missiles - if you don't then even a T34/85 will make you shit yourself. What a more relevant question would be I feel is whether "home grown" tanks have had their day - you need a bout 200 or so to keep a force relevant which is tiny in terms of manufacturing and tech development so in future I think it would be better amalgamate demand into a single vehicle over a number forces/countries.
 
#13
Not major point but an old tankie I shared an office with after he'd served in the Balkans once said "a challenger says something about your roadblock that two landrovers never could"
 
#14
Not every force has those £50k missiles - if you don't then even a T34/85 will make you shit yourself. What a more relevant question would be I feel is whether "home grown" tanks have had their day - you need a bout 200 or so to keep a force relevant which is tiny in terms of manufacturing and tech development so in future I think it would be better amalgamate demand into a single vehicle over a number forces/countries.
What force doesn't, bar some African tribe that don't like their Government?
PIRA had MBT killing weapons FFS.
 
#15
Big, smelly, noisy, a **** load of maintenance, pol intensive, limited ammunition, 20+ yrs old chassis a 'mare to get to the shit etc etc.

Yup I can see why they are happy to bin them, however when they're gone they're gone. We can always buy off the Chinese when it hits the fan again.
 
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#16
Similar post recently with a lot of statistics from Israeli tank units various incursions into Lebanon(IIRC) General consensus: conventinal punch up, you want tanks, they scare the shit out of just about everyone and their mobility, firepower and ability to dominate the ground can't yet be replicated by other systems. Downside they will take casualties but, omelettes and eggs.
 

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#17
What force doesn't, bar some African tribe that don't like their Government?
PIRA had MBT killing weapons FFS.
You really don't know much about this warry stuff do you? There is just this slight teensy bit of difference between some Irish in bred oik with a 2nd hand RPG7 and a Javelin at $200k for launcher and missile - also they have some serious issues and there are not a lot of them about.

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#18
Israel seems to think they are worth having, and they are in conflict every five seconds.

Maybe an MBT that can also carry some troops and be used as self propelled artillery might be the future.
 
#19
Tanks will always be essential on the battlefield. What else is going to draw the fire from the Infantry?
 
#20
Israel seems to think they are worth having, and they are in conflict every five seconds.

Maybe an MBT that can also carry some troops and be used as self propelled artillery might be the future.

And the last time they used them in anger, 2006 Summer War, their tanks got a proper shoeing.
The primary purpose of israeli tanks for the last couple of decades or so has been as mobile pill boxes.
 
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