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Haslar. The last MoD Hospital?

#1
ON MARCH 31 2007 the Ministry of Defence will hand over the keys to Royal Hospital Haslar, before it closes for good in 2009. Gary Cleland unearths 100 reasons to keep it open:

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/ViewArticle.aspx?SectionID=458&ArticleID=1943060

1 Closing Royal Hospital Haslar will mean the UK is the only Western power without a dedicated military hospital.

2 Haslar is currently carrying out more operations than at any point in its history.

6 Haslar has a burns unit which has never even been used.

7 It is one of the country's most secure hospitals, with high boundary walls and MoD police protection.

12 The government has scrapped plans to spend £200m on defence medical facilities in Selly Oak, Birmingham.

35 The hospital has room for a helicopter to land so that casualties can be lifted from ships.

51 Defence medicine was first to have moved from Haslar to Newcastle – the constituency of the then Defence Minister. It was then moved to Birmingham – the constit-uency of the new Defence Minister.

54 The armed forces need a hospital for recuperation – both physical and mental. Haslar, in its superb, peaceful location, is ideally suited for this purpose.

55 An estimated 5,000 injured troops are being prevented from joining front-line operations while they wait for medical treatment.

56 Since the war in Iraq began in 2003, around 6,600 UK troops have been injured in Iraq and Afghanistan.

57In the last six months more than 60 have been injured fighting in Afghanistan.

58 Since 2003 more than 600 have been flown back to the UK for treatment.

59 Selly Oak Hospital in Birmingham has recorded one of the highest rates of the MRSA superbug.

60 Royal Hospital Haslar is one of the cleanest in the country

61 Around 70 military medical consultants have left the services in disillusionment over the last five years.

62 Haslar has a pool to help rehabilitate troops who have had their legs amputated.

64 Troops serving abroad have spoken openly about hoping that if they do get injured it is serious enough for them to be sent to the US military hospital in Germany.

65 Neurological intensive-care beds in Britain are in short supply.

77 The government has not put forward an alternative to the £200m Selly Oak project that has satisfied critics.

89 Haslar boasts a decompression chamber.

95 In February 1997, the Defence Select Committee recommended that Haslar should be protected.

100 Royal Hospital Haslar has
provided medical care for the armed forces and for the local
community for 253 years.
 
#2
And sadly only one reason to close and you guessed it MONEY. They can make more from turning in to a housing estate, from the sale and taxes, than they can turn their grubby little snouts at.

What Mr Cleland has pointed out is too sensible for the gobment to understand.

JJ
 
#3
Reading that though I dont see how they can build there, its all listed, and full of graves.

Actually, yeah you're right. :x when there's money involved, they'll manage.
 
#4
I was under the impression that some of the building had already been converted into asylum hostels.

Though this is all from hearsay - so may be talking crap (Had been known)
 

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#6
WE know this is a disgrace, unfortunately it does not affect the majority of the public. The military have a hospital of its own? Where military people can talk about their problems with people like them, and have done the same things. Secure? Peaceful? Now why would they want that?

Some little toady in a government dept. will have that place ear-marked for development. Apartments will be there in 2011, mark my words.
 
#7
delinquent said:
I was under the impression that some of the building had already been converted into asylum hostels.

Though this is all from hearsay - so may be talking crap (Had been known)
The asylum centre is across the road from Haslar Hospital; it is called the "Haslar Immigration Removal Centre".

I was told years ago "they'd never sell Haslar as so much of the land is contaminated from POWs held during the Crimean War who died of Cholera and were buried in shalow graves there".
 
#8
delinquent said:
I was under the impression that some of the building had already been converted into asylum hostels.

Though this is all from hearsay - so may be talking crap (Had been known)
From my understanding what was HMP Haslar is now an immigration removal ctr. Dont know if they've had some of the buildings away.

Looking further into this its been said that no new housing developments should be built in Gosport until the roads are improved, like thats gonna happen (I've seen it and they've no chance).

Some little toady in a government dept. will have that place ear-marked for development. Apartments will be there in 2011, mark my words.
I fear you may be right.
 
#9
Beat me to it about the Immigration ctr mate, fingers of fire!

DarkBlueLoggie said:
I was told years ago "they'd never sell Haslar as so much of the land is contaminated from POWs held during the Crimean War who died of Cholera and were buried in shalow graves there".
That nice eh?
 
#10
Time for another Signature Op on the same scale as Op Nimby and op Help our Gurkha VC's?

Count me in... Again 8)
 
#11
DarkBlueLoggie said:
delinquent said:
I was under the impression that some of the building had already been converted into asylum hostels.

Though this is all from hearsay - so may be talking crap (Had been known)
The asylum centre is across the road from Haslar Hospital; it is called the "Haslar Immigration Removal Centre".

I was told years ago "they'd never sell Haslar as so much of the land is contaminated from POWs held during the Crimean War who died of Cholera and were buried in shalow graves there".
And yet it was thought safe to place a hospital there?
 
#13
Detonator said:
12 The government has scrapped plans to spend £200m on defence medical facilities in Selly Oak, Birmingham.
Run that one by me again! Does anyone have any further information about this? Have I managed to miss this announcement on the news or has it been kept quiet? :x
 
#14
DozyBint said:
Detonator said:
12 The government has scrapped plans to spend £200m on defence medical facilities in Selly Oak, Birmingham.
Run that one by me again! Does anyone have any further information about this? Have I managed to miss this announcement on the news or has it been kept quiet? :x
DITTO has anyone got hard fact etc as its letter writing ranting too the press time again
 
#15
Speedy said:
DarkBlueLoggie said:
delinquent said:
I was under the impression that some of the building had already been converted into asylum hostels.

Though this is all from hearsay - so may be talking crap (Had been known)
The asylum centre is across the road from Haslar Hospital; it is called the "Haslar Immigration Removal Centre".

I was told years ago "they'd never sell Haslar as so much of the land is contaminated from POWs held during the Crimean War who died of Cholera and were buried in shalow graves there".
And yet it was thought safe to place a hospital there?
Hospital buildings etc were already there, supposedly they're buried in the fields and open areas around the hospital. If any development happens it would disturb the ground and lead to all sorts of nasties being released. Sounds like a myth doesn't it!
 
#16
It does. Myths are always good if they serve a purpose!

DozyBint and Halo Jones, sorry thats cut straight from the article I've linked to. I hope the letters to which refer are for keeping Haslar?!

I'd forgotten about Akrotiri, fair one. Do you think they'd send us there for things? That'd be nice.
 
#17
Hate to say it, BUT, Fairfield INFECTIOUS DISEASES Hospital in Melbourne , Australia was closed and sold to a University for an additional campus, however, it cannot be used owing to the high level of contamination which has been found in the soil. So it is being used as a Hospital for the criminally insane .

Just goes to prove that the idiots in power can (and will) do anything they can to make a fast dollar(or Pound)
 
#18
:x :x Alas I knew it well, top spot for people to recover sea air, sunny area,good walking areas, very hard to replace. Typical of stupid, stupid, bloody stupid Government clowns.has every thing needed to repair damaged servicemen, what a shit government the crap labour is, a big bomb under the Government would do good :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
 
#19
DozyBint said:
Detonator said:
12 The government has scrapped plans to spend £200m on defence medical facilities in Selly Oak, Birmingham.
Run that one by me again! Does anyone have any further information about this? Have I managed to miss this announcement on the news or has it been kept quiet? :x
Wotcha DB,

Here are some quotes from the South East Regional Assembly Plenery Meeting, in a report written by a Councillor Peter Langdon of Gosport Borough Council, 15th November 2006:

"For the purposes of morale, cohesion, military ethos, training and also very importantly, retention, the Defence Medical Services need a proper home - yet the chosen hospital, Selly Oak, an old, tired hospital in Brimingham situated in a highly developed urban area, cannot provide this. The plan to build a £200m medical training centre and accommodation at Lichfield, 18 miles distant from Selly Oak hospital has been cancelled for lack of funds."

He adds that the government plan to rely on NHS hospitals like the Queen Mary in Postsmouth and Southampton General to take over the work done at Haslar is shiite, bewcause they "could not cope without the present support from Halsar and that's before any of the new growth planned for the region takes place".

A boring post, I know, but I can't help feeling that those at the sharp end of current and future deployments are about to get shafted again.

Best, KOTB

PS: I have the full doc (3 pages) but I'll have to fax it to you.
 
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King_of_the_Burpas said:
"For the purposes of morale, cohesion, military ethos, training and also very importantly, retention, the Defence Medical Services need a proper home - yet the chosen hospital, Selly Oak, an old, tired hospital in Brimingham situated in a highly developed urban area, cannot provide this. The plan to build a £200m medical training centre and accommodation at Lichfield, 18 miles distant from Selly Oak hospital has been cancelled for lack of funds."
Hmmmmmmmmmm... Don't faint because I might be sticking up for the Government here, but I wonder if this is a blurring of truths because as recently as August 2007 when Derek Twigg visited Headley Court he was speaking about development at Selly Oak. I've had a quick look through Hansard and other public docs but don't have time for a full analysis at the moment so I can't be sure, but it's possible that the plans for Lichfield were cancelled in favour of further development at the Selly Oak site itself. Whether this would be a like-for-like substitution, I have no idea, but if it is what's happened, I suspect that it's the usual Treasury compromise.

Does anyone have an informed view of what's going on and whether my conclusion might have a basis in fact?
 

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