Has Britain's Military Evolved into being Americas Sidekick ?

#1
It would appear that today's UK Armed Forces is rather limited in it's remit regarding Any Solo Active Operations in the world without first needing US Forces back up on the ground and of course Washington's permission.

The question is ... How the **** have we got ourselves into a position where we have to phone up Uncle Sam for his nod of approval before being allowed to embark on such missions ?

Have we now become America's 51st State by stealth ?
 
#2
Americans will always put themselves first before any of it's allies if it ever came to the crunch!
 
#3
It would appear that today's UK Armed Forces is rather limited in it's remit regarding Any Solo Active Operations in the world without first needing US Forces back up on the ground and of course Washington's permission.
Which independent ops have we undertaken since Suez which we've needed Yank permission for?
 
#4
Who are you, which service is your background, why do you hate the americans and why are you asking such a bone question? It's as bad as some of my threads for gods sake!
 
#5
I thought it was just that Tony wanted to be bezzers with Dubya and so tagged along for a play in the sandpit.
 
#6
Which independent ops have we undertaken since Suez which we've needed Yank permission for?
Everything from the First Gulf War of 1990-1 Onwards.

The point being that we cant do **** all militarily today without the yanks being involved.
 
#9
Who are you, which service is your background, why do you hate the americans and why are you asking such a bone question? It's as bad as some of my threads for gods sake!
Who are you ? .... A seasoned veteran (Rtd)

Which service is your background ? ..... Army.

Why do you hate the Americans ? ..... I never stated that i did if you read my OP correctly.

Why are you asking such a bone question ? ..... I don't believe my question is "bone" I believe it to be a fact.

Do you really think we could take it on ourselves for example to ....

Launch Trident or any ballistic missile at another country, Intervene in Syria or the current Israeli crisis or anywhere that oil is at stake for that matter without first heavy consultation and or involvement from Washington ?
 
#10
I agree that HM Forces have been far too reliant on the US in recent times.

However, any situation where the UK finds itself needing to launch Trident independent of joint NATO action is hardly realistic.

Also, Why does the UK even need an independent capability to carryout interventions in the likes of Syria or Israel?
Personally I'm strongly against the UK embroiling itself in any further "wars of choice" whether they're instigated by the US or independent in nature.
 
#11
[h=2]Has Britain's Military Evolved into being Americas Sidekick ?[/h]
I presume loss of Empire, the rise of other world powers and gross indebtedness after two world wars may have passed you by.
 
#12
The day FDR won the American election we were doomed yes the yanks helped and I stress helped to defeat Hitler and the nice chaps from Japan but what was their real agenda my personal opinion is that they wanted rid of our Empire and make us so dependant on them for anything and every thing before the yanks start to chip in I have sod all against yanks one literally saved my life in Iraq top man.
We should have opened our eyes when Suez kicked off and the yanks said no do not be naughty boys and go home.
That was the day our Empire passed in to history and the forces started the long painfull road to oblivion .
 
#13
TBH I don't see us as US lapdogs, We have been captured by enemy activists all by our selves without US help and we have stayed behind sorting countries out after the US military might has screwed things up so much even the ones we have saved hate all soldiers. Until we prove otherwise.
Americans hate us for our old Empire, yet they seem to be trying to build their own Empire and use their believed right to dictate rule to all.
 
#14
We should have opened our eyes when Suez kicked off and the yanks said no do not be naughty boys and go home.
That was the day our Empire passed in to history and the forces started the long painfull road to oblivion .
Suez?

try 1945-Labour-Clement Atlee-Indian Independence
 
#15
Think of this nightmare scenario then .....

Argentina retakes the Falklands, Britain says we are coming to liberate you once again, but this time Washington says "Don't do it David"

Do you think that David Cameron would tell Obama to go screw himself at the expense of severing all so called "special relationship" with the US ?

Now then, there is supposed to be a considerable amount of new found deep sea oil around this area, so what would stop Argentina making a special deal for protection with gas guzzling America in return for cheap oil if Argentina ever got it's hands on it ?
 
#17
Think of this nightmare scenario then .....

Argentina retakes the Falklands, Britain says we are coming to liberate you once again, but this time Washington says "Don't do it David"

Do you think that David Cameron would tell Obama to go screw himself at the expense of severing all so called "special relationship" with the US ?
I don't see why he shouldn't. If the USA tried ordering us not to defend our own land there would be no "special relationship" left to worry about anyway. And it's not like they could stop us sending what pathetic scraps of a task force we could still put together unless they actually were willing to fight us over it. Sure, we'd lose a war with the USA. However, contrary to common belief, our V boats don't need authorisation from the US government to fire their missiles. They don't actually need authorisation from the BRITISH government to fire them! The septics have lots of cities, but not so many that they can chuck away the biggest 32 just to stop us bashing some more uppity gauchos.
 
#18
So long as we do not invest in adequate defences, we will be someone's lapdog or suffer repeated humiliations overseas and - eventually - in our home waters and country.


Our political parties - and many Arrsers - seem to think that the evidence of history can be ignored, and that we will no longer be involved in "wars of choice", "other peoples problems", "armed conflicts over territories or possessions", "war of national survival" or even "nuclear war".
 
#19
Think of this nightmare scenario then .....

Argentina retakes the Falklands, Britain says we are coming to liberate you once again, but this time Washington says "Don't do it David"

Do you think that David Cameron would tell Obama to go screw himself at the expense of severing all so called "special relationship" with the US ?
Aside from the fact that Obama and Cameron would probably be dead and buried before the Argies had the money to put together an invasion force that could actually take the Falklands?

If the US ever stepped in and told us they didn't want us to defend our own people then the 'Special Relationship' is already over and the sitting PM would have no reason not to tell their President to **** off before launching whatever Task Force the UK can put together at that point.

Why would the US trust a government which has proven itself as untrustworthy as the Argentinians enough to risk their relationship with their most powerful and reliable ally?
 
#20
Why would the US trust a government which has proven itself as untrustworthy as the Argentinians enough to risk their relationship with their most powerful and reliable ally?

To win the hispanic vote at home? Vide the election that has just taken place.


The "most powerful" bit is fast becoming an obsolete factor. Soon it will be: "don't bother calling the Brits; we'd only have to give them X,Y and Z to get the job done."
 

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