Harry Dunn killed by US diplomat's wife

LJONESY

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Got any more details on that immunity agreement?

One wonders whether it is legislation, or a gentlemans agreement. Then one wonders how far the agreement actually extends to cover family. If it is just a nod and a wink agreement between a couple of spymasters and nothing is enshrined in legislation then she could technically be required to appear before a court.

It get's muddier and muddier.
It was a special deal signed in 1994, that covers personal and their families at that particular installation. Considering the clandestine nature of the work being conducted it was a security measure put in place by the American Government just in case.
 

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Got any more details on that immunity agreement?

One wonders whether it is legislation, or a gentlemans agreement. Then one wonders how far the agreement actually extends to cover family. If it is just a nod and a wink agreement between a couple of spymasters and nothing is enshrined in legislation then she could technically be required to appear before a court.

It get's muddier and muddier.
Understand it's either the SOF (Status of Forces) Agreement 1952 or similar, just trying to find the exact thing
 

rampant

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It was a special deal signed in 1994, that covers personal and their families at that particular installation. Considering the clandestine nature of the work being conducted it was a security measure put in place by the American Government just in case.
Cheers Jonesey
 
A question: can she be pursued in the American courts?

That is to say, if the Dunn family have the wherewithal, could they pursue Mrs Sacoolas in some legal form in America, or does her immunity extend there as well?
 

LJONESY

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A question: can she be pursued in the American courts?

That is to say, if the Dunn family have the wherewithal, could they pursue Mrs Sacoolas in some legal form in America, or does her immunity extend there as well?
She can be sued yes, and I imagine she will be.
 
A question: can she be pursued in the American courts?

That is to say, if the Dunn family have the wherewithal, could they pursue Mrs Sacoolas in some legal form in America, or does her immunity extend there as well?
Whilst Diplo's have variable immunity from criminal prosecution an action may be taken against them in civil court for certain things.

The problem then is the cost of the case in the US. Ideally the family would want to get the best 'No win no fee' US based lawyer they can find avoiding shyster ambulance chasers. I am sure that there will already be a couple of lawyers trying t find the family's home address in order to contact them - the reason being that 'No win no fee' lawyers are known to start their cut of the winnings at around 60% - 70%. I know this cos the Mrs deals with them regularly when disgruntled former employees try it on.
 
Any idea on what grounds?

Without a court case here to establish guilt, could that effort be effectively transferred to the American courts?
Notionally they will hear anything in civil court as long as you are willing to pay the costs.

Remember also that taking a civil case against an America may be feasible it may not be financially practical. All the witnesses and evidence was gathered in the UK and would need the people who gathered it to testify to its method of collection and accuracy. This could mean paying to fly out and making good the lost earnings of several witnesses and expert witnesses who may have to sit around hotel rooms waiting to be called to give evidence.

It gets to be a potentially very expensive exercise.
 
Sorry, its a gene hunt euphemism and I've been itching to use it. It refers to a ladys monthly instability. I see your point but have lost a deal of respect for royalty over the years. At least the usa prez has a job and his position is earned not hereditary. I see them as parasites in this time of austerity. I used to be quite a passionate royalist.
Regardless of what you think of the system - HRH does have a job - you may not agree with it but it exists - Of course if you consider anyone paid by the state a parisite from politicians to squaddies to nurses then i concede the point and say to thee crack on

I would normally explain at great length that we pay the queen 15% of the crown income, as an independent company HRH would pay 15% tax and so by ditching the monarchy we would be worse off economically ( stand fast magic grandpa deciding if you have more than him it can be appropriated by the state**) but ve long since learned those subscribing to this trope have no interest in facts and optimistically the most intelligent response is a deflection into how they got that land in 1066.

I would also point out that our head f state isn't an opportunist and we dont piss money up the wall choosing a new one - who lets face it is still an hereditary elite - .
I will also refrain from pointing out that even if we went republican many of the costs associated with royalty - salary - state visits - state residences - state level entertaining would still be borne at state expense - in fact HRH and co cost far less than he presidents of our contempories.

Personally im no lover of the royals - but nor do I despise them simply because they have more than me - I respect those that do as is required as I would any leader an I respect the position.. For me the system works and ive yet to see a tangible benefit for changing it


** Funny how socialist regardless of income always manage to define wealthy as have more than them

edired as wine related buffoonery monged the post
 
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Cutaway

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I'd barely describe him as human
You couldn't have said that about the previous one without the usual suspects writhing about in paryoxysms of hatred as they shrieked that you were on a par with Hr. Schikelgrüber.
 
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brightonhippy

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I think a protest and boycott of the base is the only way.
Kind of hard to operate a base when you can't buy local supply's anymore and the locals don't like you anymore.
 

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I think a protest and boycott of the base is the only way.
Kind of hard to operate a base when you can't buy local supply's anymore and the locals don't like you anymore.
Fair enough, I promise not to go there again.
 

LJONESY

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I think a protest and boycott of the base is the only way.
Kind of hard to operate a base when you can't buy local supply's anymore and the locals don't like you anymore.
I would imagine that installation gathers SIGINT that is vital to both our countries collective national security. The consequences of not having it in operation could be rather negative.
 
One for a member of our Ol'Bill.
Jonesy asked a question a while back. In our law, does a person have to be arrested, taken to a nick, to be questioned under caution?
I only ask, because I was questioned under caution once (nothing happened) at home. Or has the law changed?
 

Zhopa

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The one that Trump got into it with. Kim Darroch i believe.
OK. Thanks. I was aware of Darroch's leaked frank commentary on Trump, but not of any strong endorsement of Clinton or of Steele, both of which would surprise me greatly given his previous post and the timing of his arrival in DC. But then, life is full of surprises.
 
Seriously, what the f..ing f

To be fair to Trump, having watched that clip twice he didn't say "We've all done it". He can't string two coherent sentences together without interrupting himself but he didn't say that.
 
Given this is big news, i surprised that Comrade Corbyn not announced plans to close all USAF bases in the uk, and yes spams coming to live/work on uk camps have to do driving fam/tests on arrival
Maybe he has a D notice slapped on him lol

Cheers
 

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