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Harry Dunn killed by US diplomat's wife

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
There are reports of her now working at Langley
Which of course could be pure rumour

Also, other than ‘running a section’ she could now be a spent asset and useless overseas due to the backfire of publicity which resulted from running away and becoming world news rather than a relatively quiet prosecution of a foreign worker making the mistake of driving on the wrong side at the wrong time
Indeed. James Bond has had to become a black woman to preserve his anonymity.
 
There are reports of her now working at Langley
Which of course could be pure rumour

Also, other than ‘running a section’ she could now be a spent asset and useless overseas due to the backfire of publicity which resulted from running away and becoming world news rather than a relatively quiet prosecution of a foreign worker making the mistake of driving on the wrong side at the wrong time
The only germane point would have been if she was working at the time of the incident. CIA personnel NEVER say they are CIA, and even when working with very close allies, they are always described as Department of State employees. It is also a Federal Offence to name CIA staff.

Interestingly, if she had been 'an employee or staff at LAC' her immunity from prosecution would have been waived under the Exchange of Notes 1995, but her person would have been 'inviolable' meaning that she could not be arrested or detained (or, indeed, imprisoned).

A sad incident for the family who will not see justice (in their eyes) done, and disappointing that the US chose not to exercise decency in waiving immunity and inviolability ('diplomatic privilege') allowing this matter to be resolved before the courts.

As discussed much earlier in the thread, there would have been no public interest in her being imprisoned (if found guilty). A large fine would have been appropriate in the circumstances. Once her immunity had been waived, the only COA, whatever the outcome, was for her, her serving partner and her family, to return to CONUS at the earliest opportunity, iaw VCDR 1961 and the Exchange of Notes.
 
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There are reports of her now working at Langley
Which of course could be pure rumour

Also, other than ‘running a section’ she could now be a spent asset and useless overseas due to the backfire of publicity which resulted from running away and becoming world news rather than a relatively quiet prosecution of a foreign worker making the mistake of driving on the wrong side at the wrong time
Identity being secret is not a big thing in the world of spooks at many levels as Bellingcat proved after Salisbury it is practically impossible to hide yourself. How is it do you think we know instantly which third secretaries to expell when either the Chinese or Russians annoy us?
 
Identity being secret is not a big thing in the world of spooks at many levels as Bellingcat proved after Salisbury it is practically impossible to hide yourself. How is it do you think we know instantly which third secretaries to expell when either the Chinese or Russians annoy us?
Without being specific, when the UK has had diplomats PNGd by foreign governments, it seems to be rather random, and not based on a superior mind.

Our best coup was OP FOOT when on 24 September 1971 HMG expelled 105 Soviet diplomats and trade delegation officials resident in the UK. This was a response to the expansion of Soviet espionage in Britain during the 1960s, and to Moscow's refusal to respond to London's protests on this issue. OP FOOT was implemented not only for reasons of national security, but also because of British resentment at the USSR's frequent abuses of diplomatic privileges.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
Without being specific, when the UK has had diplomats PNGd by foreign governments, it seems to be rather random, and not based on a superior mind.

Our best coup was OP FOOT when on 24 September 1971 HMG expelled 105 Soviet diplomats and trade delegation officials resident in the UK. This was a response to the expansion of Soviet espionage in Britain during the 1960s, and to Moscow's refusal to respond to London's protests on this issue. OP FOOT was implemented not only for reasons of national security, but also because of British resentment at the USSR's frequent abuses of diplomatic privileges.
Michael's career never recovered.
 
Without being specific, when the UK has had diplomats PNGd by foreign governments, it seems to be rather random, and not based on a superior mind.

Our best coup was OP FOOT when on 24 September 1971 HMG expelled 105 Soviet diplomats and trade delegation officials resident in the UK. This was a response to the expansion of Soviet espionage in Britain during the 1960s, and to Moscow's refusal to respond to London's protests on this issue. OP FOOT was implemented not only for reasons of national security, but also because of British resentment at the USSR's frequent abuses of diplomatic privileges.
It's the trouble with the whole 'secrecy' game. We knnow who their people are and they know who our people are. The same goes for classified material (except that at the very highest level of sensitivity), the opposition already know anything we have up to and including SECRET so all the pantomime does is keep fairly dull information from the eyes of those who really don't care too much about it.
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
Even more worrying that she can't even remember which side of the fücking road to drive on then, isn't it?
It's an easy mistake to make when you're pissed, just ask the Kennedys.
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
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And Harold was left without a friend besides Anthony Blunt.
Different league, dear boy. Blunt confessed in the early 1960s.

Interesting to see that Blunt was tasked with Op Sec of BODYLINE and with the investigation of the high-level penetration of the British Embassy in Ankara, where BIGOT plans (DDay et al) were being copied on a regular basis by an Albanian valet and sold to the Germany Foreign Ministry Intelligence Service, amongst others. Von Papen (German Ambassador) didn't believe the quality of the material and thought it was a plant - it wasn't.
 
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Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
Different league, dear boy. Blunted confessed in the early 1960s.

Interesting to see that Blunt was tasked with Op Sec of BODYLINE and with the investigation of the high-level penetration of the British Embassy in Ankara, where BIGOT plans (DDay et al) were being copied on a regular basis by an Albanian valet and sold to the Germany Foreign Ministry Intelligence Service, amongst others. Von Papen (German Ambassador) didn't believe the quality of the material and thought it was a plant - it wasn't.
Don't get too hung up on dates, you okes were the direct line the GRU had to western secrets.
 
I'm guessing if she has been cleared by a High Court she can freely travel in the world without fear of an International arrest warrant?

 
The only germane point would have been if she was working at the time of the incident. CIA personnel NEVER say they are CIA, and even when working with very close allies, they are always described as Department of State employees. It is also a Federal Offence to name CIA staff.

Interestingly, if she had been 'an employee or staff at LAC' her immunity from prosecution would have been waived under the Exchange of Notes 1995, but her person would have been 'inviolable' meaning that she could not be arrested or detained (or, indeed, imprisoned).

A sad incident for the family who will not see justice (in their eyes) done, and disappointing that the US chose not to exercise decency in waiving immunity and inviolability ('diplomatic privilege') allowing this matter to be resolved before the courts.

As discussed much earlier in the thread, there would have been no public interest in her being imprisoned (if found guilty). A large fine would have been appropriate in the circumstances. Once her immunity had been waived, the only COA, whatever the outcome, was for her, her serving partner and her family, to return to CONUS at the earliest opportunity, iaw VCDR 1961 and the Exchange of Notes.

alas, the Dunn’s did themselves no favours when the quite deranged and obsessed mother fired up a full on baying mob witch-hunt demanding Sacoolas’s public execution for ‘murdering my ‘arry’
 
alas, the Dunn’s did themselves no favours when the quite deranged and obsessed mother fired up a full on baying mob witch-hunt demanding Sacoolas’s public execution for ‘murdering my ‘arry’
Anyone would think she was the dead lad's mother or something.
 

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