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Harry and Megan: How long will it last?

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Thanks for the informative pics, looks like Harry had a taste for ex servicewomen, fit with tats?
Luckily he doesn't like them old - he'd have ended up with Heather Mills.

Well, he has, sort of, new version.
 

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I tend to agree with @woger wabbit, the royal family has been through rougher times than this; the royals weren't all that popular when Victoria was crowned but she managed to restore the family fortunes.

They survived Edward VIII's abdication and the national 'outrage', manufactured or not when Diana died was overcome. I don't think a stroppy, C-lister, American celebrity is going to pose too much of a threat to the Windsors.

Also if your going down the ruthless route, they may have thrown Prince Andrew under a metaphorical bus but many believe Diana was thrown under a real Fiat.
A C-lister with rather a lot of skeletons in her cupboard, at that.
 
I suspect the situation will be managed so Charles can take up his inheritance as the bridging monarch so that William will be able to manage completing the modernisation of the monarchy along clean and appropriate lines without the deliberate distractions certain parties would be unable to avoid bringing to bear.

Andrew has too much about him of Edward VII - without his redeeming qualities, and made it easy to cut losses to clear the path for the heir's heir who will come into his own in very different and fast changing times. We may have laughed at Edward a couple of decades ago, but being out of the spotlight for some years and becoming his own man with a capable and intelligent wife has given them both an important support role similar to that which the Queen had in the Gloucesters (IIRC).

Mrs The Duke of Sussex may well have played an important role in the modernisation of the British Monarchy, but not in the way or to the ends which she envisaged for herself. The Firm has had to meld and balance the historical inheritance with the imperatives of modern society, and Mrs The Duke of Sussex's social thrashings-about has thrown into high relief what the British monarchy can and do bring to the table best: service, continuity, gravitas and a neutral platform for the recognition of excellence in others who have served and contributed to British and commonwealth life . I think that even Mrs The Duke of Sussex begins to realise that despite her ambitions, Harry will get the quieter life that he wanted (albeit after a gruesome slog), that she has killed any profile she hoped Archie might have had and in having successively thrown each opportunity away, she has crystallised The Firm's options and requirements to make itself C21st seaworthy.
 
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Dwarf

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I suspect the situation will be managed so Charles can take up his inheritance as the bridgung monarch so that William will be able to manage completing the modernisation of the monarchy along clean and appropriate lines without the deliberate distractions certain parties would be unable to avoid bringing to bear.

Andrew has too much about him of Edward VII - without his redeeming qualities, and made it easy to cut losses to clear the path for the heir's heir who will come into his own in very different and fast changing times. We may have laughed at Edward some a coupep of decades ago, but being out of the spotlight for some years and becoming his own man with a capable and intelligent wife has given them both an important support role similar to that wich the Queen had in the Gloucesters (IIRC).

Mrs The Duke of Sussex may well have played an important role in the modernisation of the British Monarchy, but not in the way or to the ends which she envisaged for herself. The Frim has had to meld and balance the historical inheritance with the imperatives of modern society, and Mrs The Duke of Sussex's social thrashings-about has thrown into high relief what the British monarchy can and do bring to the table best: service, continuity, gravitas and a neutral platform for the recognition of excellence in others who have served and constributed to British life. I think the even Mrs The Duke of Sussex begins to realise that despite her ambitions, Harry will get the quieter life that he wanted (albeit after a gruesome slog), that she has killed any profile she hoped Archie might have had and in having successively thrown each opportunity away, she has crystallised The Firm's options ad requirements to make itself C21st seaworthy.
A couple of interesting points there. Charles will be king even for a short period, to allow continuity and William to have more time with a young family, because even if Her Maj makes 102 like her mum the kids won't be that old. William will have his time to be a modern monarch and still keep the essentials of the Royals. Also there are people who still hate Charles because of Diana so when he steps down and William takes over this will be a healing as well.

Edward has been sensible by keeping his head down, but he has also had a stable marriage, the only one of the children to do so.

I find that an interesting idea that Meghan is a mirror image of the RF and by kicking up and showing exactly what a Royal should not be we see the positives of the RF. That's an interesting point.
However I still think the Wicked Witch of the West has a lot of life in her and is unlikely to settle quietly for a peaceful life in the near future. She reached for the stars, had it all before her and will kick and struggle to not lose the fame she craves. Rocky times may well still be ahead.
 
A couple of interesting points there. Charles will be king even for a short period, to allow continuity and William to have more time with a young family, because even if Her Maj makes 102 like her mum the kids won't be that old. William will have his time to be a modern monarch and still keep the essentials of the Royals. Also there are people who still hate Charles because of Diana so when he steps down and William takes over this will be a healing as well.

Edward has been sensible by keeping his head down, but he has also had a stable marriage, the only one of the children to do so.

I find that an interesting idea that Meghan is a mirror image of the RF and by kicking up and showing exactly what a Royal should not be we see the positives of the RF. That's an interesting point.
However I still think the Wicked Witch of the West has a lot of life in her and is unlikely to settle quietly for a peaceful life in the near future. She reached for the stars, had it all before her and will kick and struggle to not lose the fame she craves. Rocky times may well still be ahead.
..and as mentioned, once she stops fighting for herself, she'll start fighting for the kid to take his 'rightful place' and what's 'rightfully his', and that's when it could get really interesting.

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Grownup_Rafbrat

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..and as mentioned, once she stops fighting for herself, she'll start fighting for the kid to take his' rightful place' and what's 'rightfully his', and that's when it could get really interesting.
Especially when the modern slimmed down Royal Family removes privileges from everyone not directly in line of succession once they reach adulthood.

The Princess Royal model applies. Still the Queen's grandchildren, but Mr. and Miss, expected to make their own way in the world.
 
Mrs The Duke of Sussex 's only real audience is now American. They are now facing their own struggles, which will continue for a decade or so at least to settle down in majority - that schism will not I think ever settle in toto and frankly overshadows any garnerable red-top popularity. There are too many, far more important issues for the American public to deal with that are political on every front - and therefore not admissible areas of action. We noted the sudden quieting of back garden broadcasts after the votery one, did we not?

I think the tide of poor timing and international circumstances have left her beached, frankly. She can't play the second kid card, because she overplayed rationing access to the first born. She hasn't the Countess of Wessex's intelligence and humility to take advice and rectify her early clangers, or the Duchess of Cambridge's intelligence and understanding of team work to have earnt her place. She does have Mrs The Duke Of Windsor's values and faces the same, coat-tail riding empty future ahead of her.
 
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"..and as mentioned, once she stops fighting for herself, she'll start fighting for the kid to take his 'rightful place' and what's 'rightfully his', and that's when it could get really interesting."

Except that they stepped away from being senior royals. Which included Archie.

Deary, deary me that would be a critical mistake on Mrs Sussex' part! She hasn't had to deal with a nice middle class girl defending her own, has she, let alone well educated ones. Mrs Windsor also made the mistake of looking down on a commoner - "Cookie" - who understood marriage as a team, rather than as a power grab. But then again Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother served up a perfect pattern of example which The Duchess of Cambridge can draw upon.......
 
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Cold_Collation

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Especially when the modern slimmed down Royal Family removes privileges from everyone not directly in line of succession once they reach adulthood.

The Princess Royal model applies. Still the Queen's grandchildren, but Mr. and Miss, expected to make their own way in the world.
Bang on. There's a HUGE difference between 'Entitlement' and 'Sense of Entitlement'.

Like about a galaxy's worth.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
Mrs The Duke of Sussex 's only real audience is now American. They are now facing their own struggles, which will continue for a decade or so at least to settle down in majority - that schism will not I think ever settle in toto and frankly overshadows any garnerable red-top popularity. There are too many, far more important issues for the American public to deal with that are political on every front - and therefore not admissible areas of action. We noted the sudden quieting of back garden broadcasts after the votery one, did we not?

I think the tide of poor timing and international circumstances have left her beached, frankly. She can't play the second kid card, because she overplayed rationing access to the first born. She hasn't the Countess of Wessex's intelligence and humility to take advice and rectify her early clangers, or the Duchess of Cambridge's intelligence and understanding of team work to have earnt her place. She does have Mrs The Duke Of Windsor's values and faces the same, coat-tail riding empty future ahead of her.
You're right - good post.

Just one small thing: there's no such thing as poor timing if what's being done is right - right is right.

If something is poorly timed, in this context, it's because the ambition is less than honourable.

If Meghan was playing off a straight bat, none of what she has done would be questionable. Flip it: all of it would be beyond question.
 

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Mrs The Duke of Sussex 's only real audience is now American. They are now facing their own struggles, which will continue for a decade or so at least to settle down in majority - that schism will not I think ever settle in toto and frankly overshadows any garnerable-top popularity. There are too many, far more important issues for the American public to deal with that are political on every front - and therefore not admissible areas of action. We noted the sudden quieting of back garden broadcasts after the votery one, did we not?

I think the tide of poor timing and international circumstances have left her beached, frankly. She can't play the second kid card, because she overplayed rationing access to the first born. She hasn't the Countess of Wessex's intelligence and humility to take advice and rectify her early clangers, or the Duchess of Cambridge's intelligence and understanding of team work to have earnt her place. She does have Mrs The Duke Of Windsor's values and faces the same, coat-tail riding empty future ahead of her.

Since they are now "private citizens", they will also be judged on their workload and how (financially) successful it is.

1) Netflix deal - too soon to tell. However, Harry will be officially PNG and beyond redemption in the eyes of both the British public and the establishment if he signs off on anything that covers the RF or his mother.
2) Invictus Games - wildly successful and popular, and they seem to have stepped away from that entirely.
3) Supporting the troops - reputation possibly holed below the waterline when he binned a planned RM function to attend a Disney premiere and pimp his wife out for business to Disney execs. Not helped by the picture of the 'alternate' Remembrance wreath-laying last year where details of what Me-gain was wearing were publicised for 'some' reason.
4) Sussex Royal website - sunk (for now). Merchandise already been put into a big pit and covered with topsoil.
5) Archewell - noone can figure out what the f**k it's actually for.
6) Spotify podcast - much downloaded, possibly out of morbid curiosity. Reviews were terrible.
7) Travelyst - something to do with Just Harry and sustainable travel. Curiously quiet since its launch.
8)Charity work - too many stories of them turning up for an hour and standing for a few pictures before buggering off to grant them the gravitas they seem so desperate to attain.
9) Video clips/Youtube - widely mocked due to Megain's word spaghetti and Harry looking mute, mutinous and utterly miserable alongside her.
10) Pumping out (semi) royal kids - the one so far only appears in tightly controlled, PR-managed pictures and that's it. Hardly the sign of two parents wanting a normal life for their child/children.

In the style of an end-of-term report, 'not a promising start'.
 
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Grownup_Rafbrat

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Since they are now "private citizens", they will also be judged on their workload and how (financially) successful it is.

1) Netflix deal - too soon to tell. However, Harry will be officially PNG and beyond redemption in the eyes of both the British public and the establishment if he signs off on anything that covers the RF or his mother.
2) Invictus Games - wildly successful and popular, and they seem to have stepped away from that entirely.
3) Supporting the troops - reputation possibly holed below the waterline when he binned a planned RM function to attend a Disney premiere and pimp his wife out for business to Disney execs. Not helped by the picture of the 'alternate' Remembrance wreath-laying last year where details of what Me-gain was wearing were publicised for 'some' reason.
4) Sussex Royal website - sunk (for now). Merchandise already been put into a big pit and covered with topsoil.
5) Archewell - noone can figure out what the f**k it's actually for.
6) Spotify podcast - much downloaded, possibly out of morbid curiosity. Reviews were terrible.
7) Travelyst - something to do with Just Harry and sustainable travel. Curiously quiet since its launch.
Charity work - too many stories of them turning up for an hour and standing for a few pictures before buggering off to grant them the gravitas they seem so desperate to attain.
8) Video clips/Youtube - widely mocked due to Megain's word spaghetti and Harry looking mute, mutinous and utterly miserable alongside her.
9) Pumping out (semi) royal kids - the one so far only appears in tightly controlled, PR-managed pictures and that's it. Hardly the sign of two parents wanting a normal life for their child/children.

In the style of an end-of-term report, 'not a promising start'.
The point being that philanthropy isn't supposed to bring financial reward or, particularly, fame.

Philanthropist - 'a person who seeks to promote the welfare of others, especially through the generous donation of money to good causes'

Closely linked to altruism: 'disinterested and selfless concerning for the well-being of others'

I'm not seeing any of that, here. I'm seeing pronounced self-interest and enrichment. Where in any of this is money, time, publicity or support being offloaded in spades in the direction of the deserving and needy?

It's all about lucrative media deals and the next fluff piece in Hello.
 
I predict-Trump now gone- Biden's accession will be used as a stepping stone for her to 'reach out' and start to poke irons in the political fire. Identity politics will be her fuel.

This will happen after the review of their status by the palace. Once they know exactly where they stand.
 
I predict-Trump now gone- Biden's accession will be used as a stepping stone for her to 'reach out' and start to poke irons in the political fire. Identity politics will be her fuel.

This will happen after the review of their status by the palace. Once they know exactly where they stand.
Wonder if the timing will align with Harris' ascension to the Oval Office in the next year or so?
 
With due respect to American posters here - 'their' (Mrs The Sussex doubtless navigating) efforts show a typical misreading of The American Dream. Which recognises that everyone has the right to dream of and the opportunity to strive for success.

But such success is not overnight, it relies on people recognising a durable idea or a timely one, allied with the knowledge of when to get on and when to get off. Most of all, an understanding of the field and past pitfalls and successes are critical. Such success requires self-understanding, dedication, hard work and an understanding of people as customers or enablers and certainly a very good grasp of zeitgeist - especially when trading on profile rather than tangible skills or hard product. Not least it requires following an idea through to full, advised and researched development and fostering it during the teething stages, rather than hopping on and off buses according to the latest meeping of yesmen. Without these, self confidence and self-belief cannot bridge the chasm and produce the many " coulda been a contenders" for each one who successfully worked from Rags to Riches.

Edited for tryping, Spolling - the usual fingermongery
 
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Cold_Collation

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I predict-Trump now gone- Biden's accession will be used as a stepping stone for her to 'reach out' and start to poke irons in the political fire. Identity politics will be her fuel.

This will happen after the review of their status by the palace. Once they know exactly where they stand.
Wonder if the timing will align with Harris' ascension to the Oval Office in the next year or so?
With due respect to American posters here - 'their' (Mrs The Sussex doubtless navigating) efforts show a typical misreading of The American Dream. Which recognises that everyone has the right to dream of and the opportunity to strive for success.

But such success is not overnight, it relies on people recognising a durable idea or a timely one, allied with the knowledge of when to get on and when to get off. Most of all, an understanding of the field and past pitfalls and successes are critical. Such success requires self-understanding, dedication, hard work and an understanding of people as customers or enablers and certainly a very good grasp of zeitgeist - especially when trading on profile rather than tanginable skills or hard product. Not least it requires following an idea through to full, advised and researched development and fostering it during the teething stages, rather than hopping on and off buses according to the latest meeping of yesmen. Without these, self confidence and self-belief cannot bridge the chasm and produce the many " coulda been a contenders" for each one who successfully worked from Rags to Riches.
All three posts underline one thing: she wants all the rewards having done none of the hard yards.

She wants to be parachuted into 'greatness'. Marrying Harry was an attempt at that. It hasn't gone well.
 
@supermatelot - I think the British Monarchy may historically have beaten her to virtuous willy waving on racial identity politics - was it Catherine of Braganza . Charlie 2's wife who was technically a POC due to the Moorish inheritance within the Portuguese Royal House?

@AsterixTG She may well try, and it would make sense - but she is really bad at this and I suspect that as Harris is the first woman VP, with a part first nation and part african heritage - besides being smart enough to rise to the prominence as a viable candidate in addition, then Mrs the Sussex will be a very-very-very bit part player, reduced to clapping from the front garden as the parade passes. Which will only further erode her credibility. You don't get that far in politics I suspect, without knowing which horse to back, when to step forward - or back - and who is a poisoned chalice. Skills Mrs The Sussex palpably lacks to any long term benefit and with only chorus-girl smarts, despite the education her father funded.
 
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Wonder if the timing will align with Harris' ascension to the Oval Office in the next year or so?

I'm not sure VP will want to have her position/public prominence diluted by MM, nor will POTUS want to queer things with HMG. I suspect she'll find herself kept at arm's length by the White House machine.
 

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