Happy 300th Birthday, United Kingdom....?

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Read a few articles over the weekend about this and the fact that the SNP are likely to be the strongest party after the elections. It will make Salmond first minister and then a referendum on independence will follow.

From our Scottish compatriots would you vote to retain the union or for independence? I am curious as to what the likely result would be if there was a referendum.

I think most English are ambivalent about the whole thing - personally I think everyone will lose if the union is dissolved.
 
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#4
The only way for Scotland to remain Independant and have a word on the world stage is to stay in the Politacally formed United Kingdom. The SNP would only drag us further into the EU. So I'd rather have an Enlish/Welsh or Ulsterman on my side than a French/German or Italian bloke.

So yeah staying in the Union gets my vote, although that wont make any odds as I am posted Darn Saarth. :D
 
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Because, PTP, today is the 300th Anniversary of the Act of Union, if you hadn't noticed. We have numerous threads on eg. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc, but you don't ask the people who start those to go back to their previous threads. And I would think the potential dissolution of the UK might be of some interest to contributors here. But if you feel that strongly, of course you have the power to move or delete this thread.

Also, these threads only degenerate into Jock-bashing when Biscuits turns up :p
 
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jockmod69 said:
The only way for Scotland to remain Independant and have a word on the world stage is to stay in the Politacally formed United Kingdom. The SNP would only drag us further into the EU. So I'd rather have an Enlish/Welsh or Ulsterman on my side than a French/German or Italian bloke.

So yeah staying in the Union gets my vote, although that wont make any odds as I am posted Darn Saarth. :D
You could always go for a postal vote in your 'home' constituency.

Peter

PS be as rgorous in your questioning of the unionists as you are of the nationalists, for example is Broon a unionist because he prefers to screw up 60M people rather than 5M
 
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Interesting that on The Telegraph website that a number of English posters have registered their real gripe at England not having a referendem on how it feels in remaining part of the Union? All we hear is what Scotland wants, what Wales wants etc. What does England want?
 
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FARMBOY said:
Interesting that on The Telegraph website that a number of English posters have registered their real gripe at England not having a referendem on how it feels in remaining part of the Union? All we hear is what Scotland wants, what Wales wants etc. What does England want?
Equally there was a lot of comment in favour of the SNP. The Union is like a marriage, it takes two to tango, but only one to have a divorce. Mind you as we Scots have no one to blame but ourselves we voted for the Union, the poor Welsh and the Irish were never even asked, just invaded.
 
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The latest Mori Poll shows a majority of English in favour of Independence, with a majority of Scots against. As I've been saying, it will be the English who decide the future of the Union.

It's been a nice 300 years but time for a divorce.. and no alimony.
 
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There's no chance of a referendum in England to find out the true 'english' feeling about Scotland because what would Gordon do without the 40 or so scottish constituency MPs who are propping up his government?
 
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senoj89 said:
There's no chance of a referendum in England to find out the true 'english' feeling about Scotland because what would Gordon do without the 40 or so scottish constituency MPs who are propping up his government?
They are not, go check on how many English labour MPs he has, mind you he wants to screw up 60m people not 5M.
 
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Q-u-i-t-e a good DT article, tho' too short to dilate any worthwhile argument..

And, ahem - only half of me, so to speak, has been in the Union for 300 years.

The other half joined in 1801/02 . . . . .

God Bless The Union!

God D**n All Sectaries.

God Bless and Save The Queen!
 
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caubeen said:
Q-u-i-t-e a good DT article, tho' too short to dilate any worthwhile argument..

And, ahem - only half of me, so to speak, has been in the Union for 300 years.

The other half joined in 1801/02 . . . . .

God Bless The Union!

God D**n All Sectaries.

God Bless and Save The Queen!
You're a loyalist aren't you ;)
 
#14
Independent Scotland: A Road to Riches
Adam Smith Institute Link
If an independent Scotland chose to follow the Republic of Ireland’s low-tax route, as SNP leader Alex Salmond has indicated it would, Scotland’s growth rate might be expected, over a five-year period, to move closer to Ireland’s trend growth rate of 7 percent. Given a further five years of Scottish growth at that trend level, and before diminishing returns set in, Scotland’s growth over the ten-year period would put its index 71.5 higher, more than a two-thirds increase in GDP.

By contrast, says Stein, the rest of the UK would be expected to have grown rather less, by just over a quarter. The result would be dramatic for Scotland. Measured in household income per head, Scotland, which started £1,700 behind the rest of the UK, could be expected to be £6,000 ahead of it at the end of that period.

We believe that the new research study shows just what can be achieved if countries choose to follow the low tax route to prosperity, a route which took the Republic of Ireland from the poorest country in the EU (per head) to the richest. Scotland, it says, could match that performance.
 
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Ord_Sgt said:
caubeen said:
Q-u-i-t-e a good DT article, tho' too short to dilate any worthwhile argument..

And, ahem - only half of me, so to speak, has been in the Union for 300 years.

The other half joined in 1801/02 . . . . .

God Bless The Union!

God D**n All Sectaries.

God Bless and Save The Queen!
You're a loyalist aren't you ;)
Damme, Sir, I am! :D

But never a LAYALLISST - as the totally unreverend, undoctoral Paisley might approximately pronounce and colour it. :x

Damn him, too, while we're about this execration business . . . :evil: :x

Now pass that decanter of Bushmills. Look at the time! 8) 8)
 
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Random_Task said:
Independent Scotland: A Road to Riches
Adam Smith Institute Link
If an independent Scotland chose to follow the Republic of Ireland’s low-tax route, as SNP leader Alex Salmond has indicated it would, Scotland’s growth rate might be expected, over a five-year period, to move closer to Ireland’s trend growth rate of 7 percent. Given a further five years of Scottish growth at that trend level, and before diminishing returns set in, Scotland’s growth over the ten-year period would put its index 71.5 higher, more than a two-thirds increase in GDP.

By contrast, says Stein, the rest of the UK would be expected to have grown rather less, by just over a quarter. The result would be dramatic for Scotland. Measured in household income per head, Scotland, which started £1,700 behind the rest of the UK, could be expected to be £6,000 ahead of it at the end of that period.

We believe that the new research study shows just what can be achieved if countries choose to follow the low tax route to prosperity, a route which took the Republic of Ireland from the poorest country in the EU (per head) to the richest. Scotland, it says, could match that performance.
The economic performance of Ireland in recent years is down to more factors than a low tax rate-

http://www.celtia.info/culture/economy/celtictiger.html

It remains to be seen whether the conditions would be the same for an independent Scotland. For example, the subsidies that Ireland enjoyed are now going to the new EU states in the East. It also has to be asked how a low tax rate would financially support the large Scottish public sector without reduction or loss of services. Even if the longer term economic performance was good, it would mean financial stringency in the short to medium term. For that reason, I believe that the Scots will have to pay more, at least in the short term, for independence. Ultimately however, that's their choice to make.
 
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