"Hanoi Jane" Fonda catches stick from veterans . . . again/still

#1
Jane Fonda as Nancy Reagan in 'The Butler' Rankles Vets; Protests Underway

Amazing when you consider her father was Henry Fonda, gentleman, superb actor, salt of the earth, etc.

And served during WWII:

Fonda enlisted in the Navy to fight in World War II, saying, "I don't want to be in a fake war in a studio."[SUP][21][/SUP] Previously, he and [Jimmy] Stewart had helped raise funds for the defense of Britain.[SUP][22][/SUP] Fonda served for three years, initially as a Quartermaster 3rd Class on the destroyer USS Satterlee. He was later commissioned as a Lieutenant Junior Grade in Air Combat Intelligence in the Central Pacific and was awarded the Navy Presidential Unit Citation and the Bronze Star.[SUP][23]


Nice credentials in bold.[/SUP]
 

Schaden

LE
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#2
You'd think some people would relax slightly over what happened forty years ago...
 

Bowmore_Assassin

MIA
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#6
You'd think some people would relax slightly over what happened forty years ago...
Really ?

Lets start with her initial premise:

Fonda gave a speech in 1970 @ Michigan State Univ. saying; "I would think that if you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communists."

But this is what really riles US veterans:

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/11/blame-jane-falsehoods/

Notwithstanding there appear to be some Internet falsehoods out there, it is clear she did enough, IMHO, to warrant the 'traitorous' tag.

I too wouldn't piss on her if she was on fire.


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Hanoi Jane and an NVA AA gun.

Good god, I'm English and I hate the bitch for what she did to her own country.

When she got back she should have been hanged by the neck until sensible.
 
#9
Actors are people who make a career out of pretending to be someone else. I sometimes wonder why the political opinions of such people are regarded to be more important than the average punter on the number 11 bus.

That said, the visits of anti-war activists like Fonda, secured the release of more US POW’s from Vietnam than those who managed to either escape or be rescued. I’m thinking of David Dellinger and others.


People like Fonda are a lightning rod for mouth breathing ideologues; however it has to be acknowledged that their efforts actually served the greatest good for the greatest number. I disagree with Fonda and Dellinger’s politics, but along with John Stuart Mill, I can’t fault the outcome that they achieved.

If you think that the release of POW’s held by the Vietnamese (and Lao) Communists was a good thing and the sooner that happened the better, the score board reads


Hippie peace activists - some.

Extravaganzas like the Son Tay Raid – nil.

Closer to home, I’m personally more aggrieved that Vanessa Redgrave who led the 1968 Vietnam protests and subsequent riots in London in 1968 was awarded a CBE.


As to the critical question of would you have a crack at them today?

Fonda – Oh yes indeedy!

Redgrave – Not with a borrowed dick.

Cheers

Mick.
 
#10
I once had the dubious pleasure of meeting Hanoi Jane and, seperately but not long afterwards Teddy Kennedy. Fonda was briefly a guest on a boat I worked on and believed herself to be Royalty – deeply unhappy unless at the centre of the universe. I had nothing to say to her but wish I had a photo of her in those surroundings to contrast with that of her manning a triple A.

A few days later Kennedy was strolling with a young lady I assume was his neice on a beach in Anegada while his security detail roamed ahead asking the very few people around to leave the area. When they got to where I was sitting I had to repeat my response of: "How does f+£k off sound?" twice before they did so. Creatures the lot of 'em.
 
#11
By and large actors should stick to repeating what other people /writers have written for them, the things they say are not original thought on their behalf. This can be backed up by watching them being interviewed and expressing their own views in their own words. They are not the articulate aware people they think they are, in short they pretend for a living.
I wouldn't piss on Hanoi Jane either.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
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#12
While we're on the topic of stupid liberal actresses, here's a heartwarming tale of Shirley MacLaine making a prat of herself:

One of the best stories [in the book] concerns the actress Shirley MacLaine, who was seated near Deng Xiaoping at a 1979 banquet. She explained to Deng how impressed she had been during a trip to China when she had met a Chinese scientist. He had told her how grateful he was to Mao for banishing him from his ivory tower and sending him to the countryside to learn about ordinary people and grow cabbages. “Deng, ever the polite listener, looked her squarely in the eye and said earnestly, ‘He was lying.’”
 
#13
A few days later Kennedy was strolling with a young lady I assume was his neice on a beach in Anegada while his security detail roamed ahead asking the very few people around to leave the area. When they got to where I was sitting I had to repeat my response of: "How does f+£k off sound?" twice before they did so. Creatures the lot of 'em.
Reminds me of a story from Gulf War I which vaguely has the President or some other VIP entering a mess tent to "dine" with the troops. A member of the security detail told one soldier to clear his weapon to which the squaddie replied, 'You watch the VIP and I'll watch my weapon.' In your words, 'How does fuck off sound?'

I have to believe any unnecessary action on the part of the SS would result in an immediate pile-on by a bunch of pissed off grunts.
 
#14
Actors are people who make a career out of pretending to be someone else. I sometimes wonder why the political opinions of such people are regarded to be more important than the average punter on the number 11 bus.

That said, the visits of anti-war activists like Fonda, secured the release of more US POW’s from Vietnam than those who managed to either escape or be rescued. I’m thinking of David Dellinger and others.


People like Fonda are a lightning rod for mouth breathing ideologues; however it has to be acknowledged that their efforts actually served the greatest good for the greatest number. I disagree with Fonda and Dellinger’s politics, but along with John Stuart Mill, I can’t fault the outcome that they achieved.

If you think that the release of POW’s held by the Vietnamese (and Lao) Communists was a good thing and the sooner that happened the better, the score board reads


Hippie peace activists - some.

Extravaganzas like the Son Tay Raid – nil.

Closer to home, I’m personally more aggrieved that Vanessa Redgrave who led the 1968 Vietnam protests and subsequent riots in London in 1968 was awarded a CBE.


As to the critical question of would you have a crack at them today?

Fonda – Oh yes indeedy!

Redgrave – Not with a borrowed dick.

Cheers

Mick.
In terms of PoW's released you are correct, but it had other very positive outcomes for those held.
 
#15
Anyone over Warrenpoint?
Probably not. Warrenpoint was a cowardly terrorist attack that saw the deaths of 18 servicemen and not some chopsy actress talking shite and making a cock of herself.

I really dont see how you can compare the two.
 
#18
The North Vietnamese had their own agenda, decades of experience and were masters of what they called ‘political dau tranh’ which of course went hand in hand with ‘military dau tranh’.

One never happened without the other.

In July 1972 the North Vietnamese communists played Fonda like a bitch. She had no real idea of the way she was about to be set up and used in what became and still is a propaganda masterpiece. Her subsequent apology for posing on the AA piece, owes I think more to her remorse for the naivety or stupidity she displayed on that day than anything else.

She was out to save the world, (or more specifically the dikes around Hanoi that if breached could have caused a catastrophic humanitarian disaster) What could possibly go wrong?

Just for some perspective. In July 1972 although the NVA Easter offensive was continuing, US involvement in the ground war had completely ended. The last US battalion to leave shipped out in August 1972. In an effort to stop the first conventional invasion of SVN the US started pounding the shit out of military targets in and around Hanoi/Haiphong with B-52’s. This was Operation Linebacker I.

The dikes around Hanoi were not directly targeted as Fonda believed. But given the accuracy of USAF strikes in 1972 pre smart weapons, it is fair to say the dikes were at risk. For the first time Haiphong Harbour was mined on the orders of Nixon. Haiphong was THE ONLY PORT of any consequence in North Vietnam. Under the Johnson administration the mining and an attack on the dikes had been considered but rejected for fear of widening the war and involving the USSR and China. But when Nixon mined and shut down Haiphong, guess what? Nothing happened!

If the Republic of Vietnam had been granted air assets capable of retaliating at the North, say a few squadrons of B-57’s, the dikes would have been hit in February 1968 at the start of Tet and again in April 1972. Even if they missed in 68 and 72 there would never have been round two in 1975.

At the time of Fonda’s visit in July 1972 the North Vietnamese were hurting badly. It was the first time that the capital and critical port had come under serious and sustained attack. The US had finally taken the steps that they were afraid to contemplate earlier; the communists were hurting and desperate. Enter Ms. Fonda.

Being a fuckwit is not a crime. I think it should be. If it was David Hicks, who stepped further over the line that measures treason than Fonda ever did, would be still locked up in Guantanamo Bay.


Pretty much everything that Fonda was accused of doing regarding POW’s that was subsequently found to be false the Englishman Alan Winnington and Australian Wilfred Burchett actually did during the Korean War. Burchett’s treachery during the Vietnam War went on unabated.

There are far worse traitors than Fonda; it’s just that no one has heard of them.

Fonda – Traitor or Fuckwit?

I’m opting for fuckwit but with mitigating circumstances because she was tops in Barbarella.

Cheers

Mick
 

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