Half-trained troops to fight the Taleban

#1
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3279578.ece

From The TimesJanuary 31, 2008

Half-trained troops to fight the Taleban Michael Evans, Defence Editor
Nearly 1,000 new army recruits face having their combat training cut by half so that they can be rushed to the battlefields of Afghanistan.

The “exceptional” measure is being proposed by senior officers to meet a serious shortage in manpower, The Times has learnt. It would affect those infantry battalions being earmarked to fight in the country next year. One senior defence source admitted that the new recruits would not be properly qualified to fight since they would receive only 50 per cent of the basic training usually given to qualified combat infantrymen.
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#2
Well if this is true it emphasises just how desperate the infantry manning situation is. Even back in the 1960 it was ten weeks basic followed by 6 weeks continuation training if I remember correctly.
 
#3
Under the new form of “accelerated training”, selected recruits would be put on a fast track into the Army and on to Afghanistan. Under the scheme the recruits would also be offered a shorter engagement – less than the normal commitment of four years.
Interesting, perhaps the fact that a lot of soldiers decide they've done their duty after a tour of Iraq or 'stan is having an effect..............early in, early out? :wink:
 
#4
Hell, lets sell off the training camps so we can't get more into the system earlier even if we needed to. Mind you 14 weeks is more than the TA get before heading off to Chilwell.
 
#5
WhiteHorse said:
Hell, lets sell off the training camps so we can't get more into the system earlier even if we needed to. Mind you 14 weeks is more than the TA get before heading off to Chilwell.
Yes it is but when a few are mixed with many the dilution is hardly noticed. If the article is correct this amounts to nearly 19% of a battalions strength. With more good Cpls and Sgts leaving this will result in a significant reduction in experience and expertise.
 
#6
I for one am not happy about as I start my CIC on 24th Febuary 2008, whether or not this would I effect me I don't know but I'd rather not chance it.
 
#7
Well as the Taliban are only half the men our boys are...whats the problem?

On a more serious note... a clear indicator of the governments failure to carry out its primary duty... ie defence.
 
#8
I know of reservists who have done 1x2 week course, then 12 weekends before being called up.

36 days training before OPTAG.
 
#9
SmithsRail said:
I for one am not happy about as I start my CIC on 24th Febuary 2008, whether or not this would I effect me I don't know but I'd rather not chance it.
I don't think I would either. If I was an infantry platoon Sgt out there it would make me very wary indeed.
 
#11
Skynet said:
WhiteHorse said:
Hell, lets sell off the training camps so we can't get more into the system earlier even if we needed to. Mind you 14 weeks is more than the TA get before heading off to Chilwell.
Yes it is but when a few are mixed with many the dilution is hardly noticed. If the article is correct this amounts to nearly 19% of a battalions strength. With more good Cpls and Sgts leaving this will result in a significant reduction in experience and expertise.
Very true, but just imagine you are a man sat in the Treasury looking at things..

I see these TA chaps have done quite well on ops, only cost 5% of a regluar chappie..

I see they only get 9 weekends and a two week course before joining the parent battalion...question, why do we train regulars for 28 weeks...hmm we can save a fair bit of money here :evil:
 
#12
Cpt_Darling said:
I know of reservists who have done 1x2 week course, then 12 weekends before being called up.

36 days training before OPTAG.
Sadly I know of someone doing 31 days, thats 2 weeks and 8 weekends, I kid you not :x I'm happy to say the soldier concerned returned safe and well with a glowing report. If a little shell shocked :roll:
 
#13
WhiteHorse said:
Skynet said:
WhiteHorse said:
Hell, lets sell off the training camps so we can't get more into the system earlier even if we needed to. Mind you 14 weeks is more than the TA get before heading off to Chilwell.
Yes it is but when a few are mixed with many the dilution is hardly noticed. If the article is correct this amounts to nearly 19% of a battalions strength. With more good Cpls and Sgts leaving this will result in a significant reduction in experience and expertise.
Very true, but just imagine you are a man sat in the Treasury looking at things..

I see these TA chaps have done quite well on ops, only cost 5% of a regluar chappie..

I see they only get 9 weekends and a two week course before joining the parent battalion...question, why do we train regulars for 28 weeks...hmm we can save a fair bit of money here :evil:
Yes but why do you think we are one of the finest armys in the world?????
Because of the training and if you start halfing the amount of training the recruits are going to be half as good? :evil:
 
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kurt_ruby said:
WhiteHorse said:
Skynet said:
WhiteHorse said:
Hell, lets sell off the training camps so we can't get more into the system earlier even if we needed to. Mind you 14 weeks is more than the TA get before heading off to Chilwell.
Yes it is but when a few are mixed with many the dilution is hardly noticed. If the article is correct this amounts to nearly 19% of a battalions strength. With more good Cpls and Sgts leaving this will result in a significant reduction in experience and expertise.
Very true, but just imagine you are a man sat in the Treasury looking at things..

I see these TA chaps have done quite well on ops, only cost 5% of a regluar chappie..

I see they only get 9 weekends and a two week course before joining the parent battalion...question, why do we train regulars for 28 weeks...hmm we can save a fair bit of money here :evil:
Yes but why do you think we are one of the finest armys in the world?????
Because of the training and if you start halfing the amount of training the recruits are going to be half as good? :evil:
Accountant/Apparatchik think. Establish lower limit of realistic budget by relaxing standards until failure occurs. :evil:
Anyone read this? LINK
 
#15
Stinks.
We are short of Infantry so 'We' will send out half trained men.
When will the Government admit THEY have screwed up the ARMY big time.
They have cut the MEN who do the dirty dangerous job on the ground.
And now have the Brass neck to suggest that sending out MEN who have not had the full training required will do.
john
I never got over the disbanding of 4 battalions as part of the NI Peace Deal.
Please no one tell me that that did not happen. I have heard all the OTHER trumped up reasons.
 
#16
Hello jonwilly,

during Der Kaiser Schlacht in 1918 we called upon barely trained boy soldiers to save us,it is troubling that this is again necessary today.

Governments seem to assume that British military victory is assured regardless of any disparity of numbers.
It was our qualitative advantage which overcame numerical deficit so many times in the past.
With less training and a higher turnover of personnel that qualitative advantage is being eroded.

tangosix.
 
#17
Alf trained troops in 1918 are one thing, but todays problem is caused by HM Government getting rid one four trained infantary battalions.
There was never enough Infantry for the job in hand in my day.
Just where our political masters get the idea that Infantry is a simple matter is beyond me.
Our Previous Military Lords and Masters should have resigned on the issuse of dibanding those 4 Battalions, untill at least the New system of 'Permanent Role' battalions had been integrated.
john
Only two widely seperated wars on and Gorden/Tony knows how many potencial wars planned/thought about.
 
#18
This is so not a good idea, if the new lads cope (and of course we hope they will), as has been said already an axe will be taken to the Army's 'expensive' training programs allowing more consultants to be hired who in turn will endorse' Just in Time Training' unlocking 'Stakeholder Value' from 'over resourced, legacy' training systems.

Is no one resigning in protest?

I now believe that within my lifetime I will see the demise of the British Army as a recognisable organisation.
 
#19
This is SERIOUSLY shocking. I am genuinely amazed at this. I thought I'd seen it all, but this takes the biscuit. I no longer have any doubt whatsoever that the armed forces are on the slippery slope in a big way.
Someone in UK Govt has got to grasp the nettle and decide that we either pack in fighting wars, or pay for doing so properly.
Halving training in PEACETIME? Jesus.
 
#20
Patrick Mercer has just been on Radio 4 (0720) with a strong condemnation of this idea and even the MOD are now saying it would be crass to go ahead with this. Patrick said that it was about time the MOD came clean, the army is not short of 3000 soldiers but 12000.
 

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