HAC or 4 PARA

#2
Go and visit both of them. Then make up your mind.

msr
 

The_Duke

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#3
Both units are good, have very different roles and ethos. As per MSR, visit them both.

Duke

PS I am biased, but 4 Para have a clearly defined role, strong links with the regular battalions, great operational experience and a recognised selection process. The HAC have their own selection process which is demanding but not well recognised and seem to be struggling with their role a little (IMHO).
 

The_Duke

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#5
Ok whiffler,

They have their own selection process involving lots of walking about on hills. They have some PSIs from SF, and as such occasionally present themselves as "SF Lite" with lots of talk of blades and sabre Squadrons. However, because this is an internal process and not know to many, the fact that you had passed HAC selection would not be recognised by many in the wider army as something of note.

More longwinded, and less PC, but i hope this meets your obviously exacting standards.

Duke.
 
#6
I'd advise you to go for 4 Para, if you're unsuccesful with P Coy, you can always go for HCA as plan B.
 
#8
And just replace the C with a T and Bingo!!
 
#11
I think the chance for deploying will be greater with 4PARA (Uni mate has his telic medal with combat rosette and has just got word he is off to Afghanistan) if that is what you are looking for.

The HAC website states that although 15 members were mobilized for the Iraq war (does not specify if that means all Telics) a total of 7 went. Yup the regiment sent an under-strength section.

I had always thought they were pretty Gucci till I read that little gem.
 
#12
The Duke,

The boys in an individual unit may not have scoobies on the HAC role, but the commanders do. And at the end of the day who do we all answer to? It isnt about 'how hard I look'.

I am biased.

I would say HAC through and through, but I would agree and say go and have a look at both.

I found I prefered the grown up attitude to soldiering at the HAC better than the one I found at 10 Para, but that is by the by.

Phys wise they are very similar, with I would say the HAC coming out at being harder due to role training (selection)

If you fail P Coy, it is very doubtful if you would manage HAC selection. Recruits yes, but the hills, no. So you could then be posted in the Regt in Sigs or another sub unit, but the Sabre Sqns have a higher phys level than is required for P Coy.


Tears.
Not sure where your info was from, but the figures are short of about 60-90 people.
You may be reading Telic 1 figs, alot more have been sent, both as IR's for Gun units from the Regt Gun Troop, or as more recently formed Sqns doing the role.
 

The_Duke

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#13
Bibo -

Considering you are Ex Royal Sigs now a recruit in 289 it might be as well if you manage to pass either course (P Coy or Arty) before you comment on being the best!
 
#14
The Bat wrote:

So, looking at your earlier post you now want to spell it HTA?

Your a bright boy!

My apologies, I should have also said change the B for an H in your own name... Are you a Lib Dem?
 

The_Duke

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#15
Carlos - obviously we will have to agre to disagree! Worked with HAC on the Belize trip in '97 good bunch of blokes generally, but very role specific, basic skills somewhat missing, and no evidence of superman type fitness anywhere!


Remember it is HAC selection not "selection", which suggests the selection for UKSF. ..sort of harks back to the "SF Lite" and pretence of SF status really. P Coy is P Coy - plain and simple!

Duke
 
#16
http://www.hac.uk.com/regimental_frame.htm

Mobilisation and Full Time Reserve Service
As an HAC Soldier you could, like any other member of the TA, be compulsorily mobilised for full time service should your services be required. As a specialised component of Advance Forces, in a major conflict, the HAC could expect to be one of the earlier TA units to be mobilised.
During the recent war in Iraq, 15 members of the regiment were mobilised, and seven actually deployed to theatre, though most were not utilised in their specialist capacities.
However, short of full mobilisation, for those who wish to volunteer, there are numerous opportunities for Full Time Reserve Service, either with 4/73 Battery or elsewhere. Over the past six years the HAC has almost always had some of its soldiers away on mobilised service and HAC soldiers have seen active service, in role, in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Just quoting the website.
 
#17
Tears.

Yep, that is VERY out of date, I will have a chat with the relivant officer on Weds night.

Duke.
You were there too, so was I. What you have to remember though is that Ex was Regt baised, not Sqn based. So you had the cooks, bottle washers and drummers doing stuff that was very physicaly demanding and not thier remit to do.

If it was only Sqn personel on the camp then the Ex would have been alot smaller (90 pers max) and lasted 2 weeks not the rolling month that it did. Some of the Sqn lads went twice, some of the Regt lads almost died!

Selection.... ok,
As you say it isnt UKSF selection, but part of it. The hills are not quite as long. And it is called selection, even if you dont like it.

P Coy is a different type of test and I know lots of Para's who could pass P Coy but could not do our hills, look at when 10 Para was axed. We got a few lads come to us and they bombed out. Only one passed, and then he was screwed over by the then CO and left.
 
#18
tearsbeforebedtime said:
http://www.hac.uk.com/regimental_frame.htm

Mobilisation and Full Time Reserve Service
As an HAC Soldier you could, like any other member of the TA, be compulsorily mobilised for full time service should your services be required. As a specialised component of Advance Forces, in a major conflict, the HAC could expect to be one of the earlier TA units to be mobilised.
During the recent war in Iraq, 15 members of the regiment were mobilised, and seven actually deployed to theatre, though most were not utilised in their specialist capacities.
However, short of full mobilisation, for those who wish to volunteer, there are numerous opportunities for Full Time Reserve Service, either with 4/73 Battery or elsewhere. Over the past six years the HAC has almost always had some of its soldiers away on mobilised service and HAC soldiers have seen active service, in role, in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Just quoting the website.

I worked with their telic mission managers, we had 7bods at 4/73 on t3, 40-odd on t4 and 40-odd on t5

all in ISTAR role....with the later teams opperating their own AI's

good lads with some outrageous salarys
 
#19
Shame there are no Infantry units in London.

Even worse that none have sent, say, 220 blokes to Basra in the last 18 months.
 
#20
Maybe he doesnt want to be infantry??
 
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