newbie1810

Clanker
Torn about which job role to put down during phase one just awaiting a date at the moment for Intake to the royal artillery. I have read up on both 29 Cdo and honourable artillery company the surveillance patrol soldier is the role I want to take up Ino 148 are similar to the 4/73 my question is what’s the better option career wise Do I go in and do the 29 build up course and pass AACC gain some experience and apply to move over to hac ive seen that 4/73 pass rate is low and generally experienced guys pass or do the 4/73 have similar build up course to prep you for selection any advise welcomed.
 
Good luck with your eventual choice, but I would seriously consider studying punctuation.

There is an old story about a regimental mascot hound attacking its corporal handler, and a signal was sent as to how to deal with it.

Should they shoot the mascot? The answer came: "Shoot dog on no account shoot corporal."

No real guidance there. So punctuation is vital.

Think about it - and as I said, good luck!
 

newbie1810

Clanker
Thanks for info had to go off the army page to see that isn’t very clear on the main page. Same question from 148 and 4/73 are they the same job with different training or can you do one then the other ?
 
Thanks for info had to go off the army page to see that isn’t very clear on the main page. Same question from 148 and 4/73 are they the same job with different training or can you do one then the other ?
Wait until you start at your training establishment. When you get to Larkhill or wherever they do the 'Drop Short' training these days, I am sure they will probably have instructors from these units, and you will be given various lectures, films etc, about the different roles of the RA/RHA and the entry requirements for 7 Para RHA with All Arms P Company and 29 Commando RA via All Arms Commando Course.

148 Battery is part of 29 Commando but based in Poole alonside the SBS. They used to consist of five man teams with a Captain in charge with four other ranks, one who would be a sailor who handled ship to shore communications. They are Parachute trained and their main role was to call in Naval Gunfire which they did in the Falklands and Gulf War 2 in 2003.

They generally go in first with advance forces like the SBS and Brigade Recce Force in advance of an Amphibous landing. They are an Artillery Forward observer force and besides NGO they also call in the guns from 29 Commando and aircraft from JTAC. Most of the ones I came across had served time with a gun battery in 29 Cdo before joining 148 Battery.

Things may have changed in regard to the above info so don't take it as gospel. I know that Royal Marines have been integrated into the teams and that they do not have to do P Company anymore, just All Arms Commando.

I don't know much about 4/73 except that they are Forward Observer Teams who in Cold War days would man covert Observation Posts who would call in gunfire from the big guns onto the nasty Ivans if their T72s had started to roll West. Worked with the RAC Recce Regiments.

You could in theory go from one to the other in the course of a career in the Royal Artillery, but both are small specialised units and you would likely have to move out of them for promotion purposes in the course of a full career. In the case of 148 this would likely be back to the main body of 29 Commando at Plymouth.
 
I'd get in first and then worry about the choice of Gucci lids after a couple of years time in. If you still want to live in ditches then you might want to consider 49 Para's tunnelling company? Have a read of Holes Of Glory. They're always looking for nigs.
 

newbie1810

Clanker
Wait until you start at your training establishment. When you get to Larkhill or wherever they do the 'Drop Short' training these days, I am sure they will probably have instructors from these units, and you will be given various lectures, films etc, about the different roles of the RA/RHA and the entry requirements for 7 Para RHA with All Arms P Company and 29 Commando RA via All Arms Commando Course.

148 Battery is part of 29 Commando but based in Poole alonside the SBS. They used to consist of five man teams with a Captain in charge with four other ranks, one who would be a sailor who handled ship to shore communications. They are Parachute trained and their main role was to call in Naval Gunfire which they did in the Falklands and Gulf War 2 in 2003.

They generally go in first with advance forces like the SBS and Brigade Recce Force in advance of an Amphibous landing. They are an Artillery Forward observer force and besides NGO they also call in the guns from 29 Commando and aircraft from JTAC. Most of the ones I came across had served time with a gun battery in 29 Cdo before joining 148 Battery.

Things may have changed in regard to the above info so don't take it as gospel. I know that Royal Marines have been integrated into the teams and that they do not have to do P Company anymore, just All Arms Commando.

I don't know much about 4/73 except that they are Forward Observer Teams who in Cold War days would man covert Observation Posts who would call in gunfire from the big guns onto the nasty Ivans if their T72s had started to roll West. Worked with the RAC Recce Regiments.

You could in theory go from one to the other in the course of a career in the Royal Artillery, but both are small specialised units and you would likely have to move out of them for promotion purposes in the course of a full career. In the case of 148 this would likely be back to the main body of 29 Commando at Plymouth.
Thank you that’s great in depth info.
I’m swaying towards 29 and trying for 148 it’s the special observer job that I want to peruse but wasn’t aware once in you could gain more info before choosing I thought you had to be set before going in.

thank you
 

newbie1810

Clanker
Wait until you start at your training establishment. When you get to Larkhill or wherever they do the 'Drop Short' training these days, I am sure they will probably have instructors from these units, and you will be given various lectures, films etc, about the different roles of the RA/RHA and the entry requirements for 7 Para RHA with All Arms P Company and 29 Commando RA via All Arms Commando Course.

148 Battery is part of 29 Commando but based in Poole alonside the SBS. They used to consist of five man teams with a Captain in charge with four other ranks, one who would be a sailor who handled ship to shore communications. They are Parachute trained and their main role was to call in Naval Gunfire which they did in the Falklands and Gulf War 2 in 2003.

They generally go in first with advance forces like the SBS and Brigade Recce Force in advance of an Amphibous landing. They are an Artillery Forward observer force and besides NGO they also call in the guns from 29 Commando and aircraft from JTAC. Most of the ones I came across had served time with a gun battery in 29 Cdo before joining 148 Battery.

Things may have changed in regard to the above info so don't take it as gospel. I know that Royal Marines have been integrated into the teams and that they do not have to do P Company anymore, just All Arms Commando.

I don't know much about 4/73 except that they are Forward Observer Teams who in Cold War days would man covert Observation Posts who would call in gunfire from the big guns onto the nasty Ivans if their T72s had started to roll West. Worked with the RAC Recce Regiments.

You could in theory go from one to the other in the course of a career in the Royal Artillery, but both are small specialised units and you would likely have to move out of them for promotion purposes in the course of a full career. In the case of 148 this would likely be back to the main body of 29 Commando at Plymouth.
Thank you that’s great in depth info.
I’m swaying towards 29 and trying for 148 it’s the special observer job that I want to peruse but wasn’t aware once in you could gain more info before choosing I thought you had to be set before going in.

thank you
 
Work hard on your fitness and stamina before you start training. Thats aerobic fitness - running and cicuit training, not heavy weights- gym queen stuff. Units like 29 usually have staff doing tours in training establishments, whose other unofficial role is to talent spot for their unit. If you stand out in the physical fitness part of training and seem like a good bloke, they may give you advice and point you in the direction of All Arms Commando Course.

In any event you would have to attend a pre commando course'beat up' in Plymouth to make sure you are fit enough with 29, before starting the All Arms Commando Course at Lympstone.

You can volunteer for 29 Cdo or 7 Para RHA any time in your career, not just as a first posting out of training. Like I said, I don't think 148 accept recruits strait out of training, they are selected from 29 Commando. Its quite a long technical course I believe, all to do with signals and calling in Naval Gunfire.

148 looks to be the more ally job to me. Not only do you get a Green lid, Wings, and a nice Combined Operations badge to go with them that no one else wears, but you get to Parachute into Poole Bay with lots of admiring tourists going 'Oooh, Aaaarg'. You also have the run of Poole and Bournmouth.

4/73 Battery wear a Khaki Beret, which is not regarded as Ally at all and will probably mean that you get mistaken for a Guardsman. It won't impress the chicks as they are stationed at Catterick so there aren't any - not good looking ones anyway.

4/73 Battery RA

148 Battery

If you have got a kindle download a copy of Falklands Commando by Hugh McManners, for £4.99. The author was in command of a 148 Battery Forward Observer Team in the Falklands. Although dated, it gives a good idea of what the job entails.
 
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An excellent read. He went on to make some military documentaries.
 
Good luck with your eventual choice, but I would seriously consider studying punctuation.

There is an old story about a regimental mascot hound attacking its corporal handler, and a signal was sent as to how to deal with it.

Should they shoot the mascot? The answer came: "Shoot dog on no account shoot corporal."

No real guidance there. So punctuation is vital.

Think about it - and as I said, good luck!

He's ahead of the game and using burst transmition, you dummy.
 
Work hard on your fitness and stamina before you start training. Thats aerobic fitness - running and cicuit training, not heavy weights- gym queen stuff. Units like 29 usually have staff doing tours in training establishments, whose other unofficial role is to talent spot for their unit. If you stand out in the physical fitness part of training and seem like a good bloke, they may give you advice and point you in the direction of All Arms Commando Course.

In any event you would have to attend a pre commando course'beat up' in Plymouth to make sure you are fit enough with 29, before starting the All Arms Commando Course at Lympstone.

You can volunteer for 29 Cdo or 7 Para RHA any time in your career, not just as a first posting out of training. Like I said, I don't think 148 accept recruits strait out of training, they are selected from 29 Commando. Its quite a long technical course I believe, all to do with signals and calling in Naval Gunfire.

148 looks to be the more ally job to me. Not only do you get a Green lid, Wings, and a nice Combined Operations badge to go with them that no one else wears, but you get to Parachute into Poole Bay with lots of admiring tourists going 'Oooh, Aaaarg'. You also have the run of Poole and Bournmouth.

4/73 Battery wear a Khaki Beret, which is not regarded as Ally at all and will probably mean that you get mistaken for a Guardsman. It won't impress the chicks as they are stationed at Catterick so there aren't any - not good looking ones anyway.

4/73 Battery RA

148 Battery

If you have got a kindle download a copy of Falklands Commando by Hugh McManners, for £4.99. The author was in command of a 148 Battery Forward Observer Team in the Falklands. Although dated, it gives a good idea of what the job entails.
When I was with 148, they were so short of people that they were trawling Junior Leaders for likely candidates. It is possible to do your entire career with 148/NGS without serving anywhere else, but, as par avion says, promotion will be slow and limited and I knew people who had transferred out to other corps (e.g. mainstream RA, REME) and who progressed much further. The problem is that once a soldier gets settled into a unit and is reasonably happy there then it is very hard to convince him to go through months of pain to get up to the required fitness level to pass either P Company or the AACC. It was generally held in 148 that with the number of courses you needed to do to become useful, it would take about a year to get into the unit.
 

Buddy!

War Hero
29 all day long... Great blokes and they do a job that is in touch with real life unlike the other unit you have mentioned... #Controversial .
 
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It's always amusing when potential recruits talk about which specialist unit they should choose, as if their wish was the only consideration.

See if you're head and shoulders above every other recruit in every discipline during basic training.

Then try your hand at an arduous course, and if you're head and shoulders above all the other candidates (which takes some doing) and come out on top, then maybe 148 is just the ticket for you.

But, one step at a time, eh?
 
I think it's a product of the age we live in. There's now so much information out there at the click of a mouse - plus all the books that erupted post-Granby, not to mention all the stuff on YouTube and telly, that make it all look within reach. When I joined in the early '80s there was virtually nothing other than what could be gleaned from the CIO. It wasn't until I started seeing some of these wierd and wonderful lids, badges and flashes cutting about that I realised they even existed!
 

Buddy!

War Hero
4/73 Battery wear a Khaki Beret, which is not regarded as Ally at all and will probably mean that you get mistaken for a Guardsman. It won't impress the chicks as they are stationed at Catterick so there aren't any - not good looking ones anyway.

Of course though, they wouldn't agree and have a very inflated opinion of themselves. ;)

I don't think there's anything wrong with aspiring to go to one of these units. To the OP, work double hard throughout your training and make your intentions clear early... Time goes fast.
 
When I was with 148, they were so short of people that they were trawling Junior Leaders for likely candidates. It is possible to do your entire career with 148/NGS without serving anywhere else, but, as par avion says, promotion will be slow and limited and I knew people who had transferred out to other corps (e.g. mainstream RA, REME) and who progressed much further. The problem is that once a soldier gets settled into a unit and is reasonably happy there then it is very hard to convince him to go through months of pain to get up to the required fitness level to pass either P Company or the AACC. It was generally held in 148 that with the number of courses you needed to do to become useful, it would take about a year to get into the unit.
The few guys from 148 that I came across all seemed good blokes without any side or arrogance despite passing All Arms Commando, P Company and all the other courses they had to complete. Unlike some that you come across.
 

Jonnynoname

On ROPS
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It's always amusing when potential recruits talk about which specialist unit they should choose, as if their wish was the only consideration.

See if you're head and shoulders above every other recruit in every discipline during basic training.

Then try your hand at an arduous course, and if you're head and shoulders above all the other candidates (which takes some doing) and come out on top, then maybe 148 is just the ticket for you.

But, one step at a time, eh?
This.. Remember when At woolwich '85 we had 29 commando come by to recruit. Also had a 29 sgt & 7rha sgt At The gunnery wing. Both good guys. If i Remember correctly recruit could (then) volunteer to go straight to the All Arms commando /Para courses. Thought about Para myself but went to my Regiment in Germany first then thought.. Good blokes here & i never left, so maybe the desire to be Para was not so strong.
One other point is we had ex 29 guys in the Regiment. Both top guys but in gunnery nö better than the rest nor were they promoted quicker. Think or from what i heard The 29 course you learned more than Just beastings. Also the special OPs came to Germany trying to recruit. Even saying you don't need to be OP trained will take gun bunnies too & Re train you.
Of course might be all change now. Of i was you i would go to a normal Regiment Do At least a year then consider it again.
Just my 2cents bros
 
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A good book written by a former member of 29 Commando.

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Rusty Firmin spent a few years as a Commando Gunner before going 22 SAS, and describes it here. He also spent some time as the DS on 29 Commando's beat-up programme at the Citadel.
 
Here are some clips by Rusty Firmin, telling of his time on the 29 Commando selection. You've got the first one here and the others will load onto your sidebar.

 

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