H&S nannies: Conkers, leapfrog, British bulldog, etc. banned in 15-30% of schools

H&S should be...

  • ...quashed entirely. Your accident, your fault.

    Votes: 11 27.5%
  • ...balanced with "common sense". Common sense is not so common, unfortunately.

    Votes: 29 72.5%
  • ...even more rigorous. Seriously?! You can live in your padded room, don't make me join you!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    40
#1
Schools banning conkers and leapfrog over safety fears - Telegraph

Hundreds of over-zealous schools are preventing pupils playing games enjoyed by generations of children amid fears they will be sued if something goes wrong, it emerged.

Almost one-in-six teachers said their schools now outlawed conkers in case children are hit in the face by a stray horse chestnut. One claimed the ban had been imposed to protect pupils with nut allergies.

British bulldog – where children try to stop other pupils running across the playground – was most likely to fall victim to health and safety, with three-in-10 saying it had now been banned.
The difference between a free man and a slave is fear. These children are being brought up thinking there is danger around every corner or non-authorised activity. We are raising a generation of battery chickens; fearful, obedient, without initiative and apparently without adequate RRRs, ripe for farming.
 
#2
The difference between a free man and a slave is fear. These children are being brought up thinking there is danger around every corner or non-authorised activity. We are raising a generation of battery chickens; fearful, obedient, without initiative and apparently without adequate RRRs, ripe for farming.
Well said IB, as an infrequent visitor to these shores the level of damage that is being inflicted by the educational establishment on the youth of this society is astounding, and really can only be a deliberate act by the Gramsci mouth breathers in our institutions.

The the only thing to do is to ensure that your kids are trained to hold the whip hand and drive the herd towards the guns.
 
#3
At the Oval yesterday to watch a 2nd XI match, an elderly gentleman asked if he could use a chair to sit on and place it in the sunshine. He was told no. The reason: 'If I let you use that chair and you are hit by the ball it, will be a H&S issue and I may be held responsible'.

This sentence uttered by a certifiable 'twonk' whilst surrounded by 20,000 'chairs' all within range of hefty blows by the batsmen, sums up H&S legislation! I hear that new rules are being prepared to outlaw sitting on a lavatory seat in case one should fall off said seat.

We have no hope in this country. Blair ruined it. Brown buried it. The European Soviet Union has rendered it ungovernable.
 
#4
Well said IB, as an infrequent visitor to these shores the level of damage that is being inflicted by the educational establishment on the youth of this society is astounding, and really can only be a deliberate act by the Gramsci mouth breathers in our institutions.

The the only thing to do is to ensure that your kids are trained to hold the whip hand and drive the herd towards the guns.
Why thank you :). I removed the last sentence but put it back in, as I didn't want to be accused of shit stirring.

The thing is though, mentalities aside the difference between a herd of cattle and a free roaming pack of wolves is the pen around them. Do you think we will start seeing exit visas being required one day, like the ol' Soviet Union? Or are the barriers being set up purely in our mind?
 
#5
Whilst agreeing with you about nannyism, it's only fair to point out that H&S has nothing to do with this; it's almost entirely the result of (a) hysterical and untrue coverage in the Press ('You can be sued if you clear snow off the pavement') and (b) the avarice of insurance companies ('What, squire, conkers in the playground? That'll be an extra five grand on the insurance, then.')

Like the Data Protection Act so often invoked in refusal when one makes a simple telephone request for information, "Iss not me, it's Health and Safety mate" has become the cry of the modern Jobsworth. The people really at fault are the public, for meekly submitting every time the bogeyman is invoked.
 
#6
Whilst agreeing with you about nannyism, it's only fair to point out that H&S has nothing to do with this; it's almost entirely the result of (a) hysterical and untrue coverage in the Press ('You can be sued if you clear snow off the pavement') and (b) the avarice of insurance companies ('What, squire, conkers in the playground? That'll be an extra five grand on the insurance, then.')

Like the Data Protection Act so often invoked in refusal when one makes a simple telephone request for information, "Iss not me, it's Health and Safety mate" has become the cry of the modern Jobsworth. The people really at fault are the public, for meekly submitting every time the bogeyman is invoked.
Very true. I find this bit of the HSE website very helpful in debunking some of the common elf-and-safety factoids.
 
#7
At the Oval yesterday to watch a 2nd XI match, an elderly gentleman asked if he could use a chair to sit on and place it in the sunshine. He was told no. The reason: 'If I let you use that chair and you are hit by the ball it, will be a Public Liability Insurance issue and you may hold my company responsible'.

This sentence uttered by a certifiable 'twonk' whilst surrounded by 20,000 'chairs' all within range of hefty blows by the batsmen, sums up Public Liability Insurance legislation! I hear that new rules are being prepared to outlaw sitting on a lavatory seat in case one should fall off said seat.

We have no hope in this country. Blair ruined it. Brown buried it. The European Soviet Union has rendered it ungovernable.
Fixed that.
 
#9
The Government is not at fault for H&S regulations. It's our own fault for following the US lead on suing anyone and everyone.
Nail hit on head,

Along with every LLP milking & exploiting every opportunity, the fear of litigation within the work & social environment is beyond madness...
 
#10
don't want those past-times interfering with Kabaddi trianing, so we????
 
#11
The Government is not at fault for H&S regulations. It's our own fault for following the US lead on suing anyone and everyone.
So, why are people these days trying to blame someone else?

When I was a young kid and scraped my knees, sprained my ankles, fell off my bike, knocked my head (haha did lots of that), etc. whilst playing, it never occurred to me or my parents to blame the school, city council, etc. for the accident. Almost invariably my parents would say something along the lines "Oh poor thing, be more careful next time." i.e. my accident, my fault. The culture these days has changed a lot though. Now everyone is afraid of being blamed for something. Such as me being afraid of being blamed for shit stirring :)

When courts start blaming someone else for people spilling hot coffee on their laps or some other accident and order payouts, and lawyers offer to take on compensation claims on a no win no fee basis, suddenly people see that as a risk-free opportunity to get rich. At least make the blighters pay for the risk of taking someone to court!
 
#12
Nail hit on head,

Along with every LLP milking & exploiting every opportunity, the fear of litigation within the work & social environment is beyond madness...
And almost entirely unfounded. I asked my missus (barrister) about some of these public liability fears and she said a judge would chuck 99% of them out on first sight. Young and keen lawyers working for insurance firms spend their days trawling statutes and judgements in search of the tiniest justification for hiking the premiums still further. The liabilities they supposedly identify are almost never tested in court as very few lawyers are daft enough to take them to trial. And if they did the judge would **** them off sharpish.
 

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#13
Of course, it doesn't help when you get teachers claiming £200,000 for slipping on a grape (don't know how true that story is), penpushers claiming £400,000 for the so-called repetitive strain injury (again, not sure how true) etc.

There was a thread in here around a year ago about a TV programme called Scams, Claims and Compensation Games. Naturally it featured your typical Jeremy Kyle show auditionees, bleating about tripping over an uneven grass field at school sports day, some kid stubbing his toe on a drain and bagging a few 'K'. And the complimentary ruthless ambulance chasing smug lawyer who makes organisation's lives a misery by hitting them with one lawsuit after the next.

Consider how much it costs to get a 30 second advert on the TV - then work out how many channels there are (including all the Sky ones) - each one of them pumping out 'compensation claim' adverts which seem to feature on every other advert, depending on the time of day. Then imagine how much the each person within one such organisation gets paid, from the Chief Exec, down to the person that wanders around the office all day distributing the internal mail. Couple that with the amounts they're paying out to 'Mr G, Colchester', and 'Miss F, Chepstow' etc - and you start to get some idea of how much these organisations from schools to hospitals are paying out. Who can blame them for wanting to protect themselves from banning anything remotely to do with danger?

But when they stick in a claim for slipping on a grape - where do they think the money comes from? I'm guessing they imagine it comes out of the Chief Exec's sky rocket with an apology about the whole grape dropping thing - because the same people are whingeing the following year when the council tax goes through the roof.

And have you noticed these ads always seem to be in abundance during daytime TV? They certainly know their target audience.
 
#14
One of the main reasons for the explosion in allergies amongst children is due to the fact we now bring up children in an over safe almost sterile environment, they are so clean that they are failing to build up any resistance to infection, Parents fear has reduced their children to little couch potatoes who will have numerous medical problems in latter life because of this
 
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Agree with most of you. A rein on health and safety's not a bad thing, stifling kids and some of the rules in schools seem ridiculous though. Authority minded control freaks covering their arrses half the time. No phones allowed in schools, no juice just plain water, most of the old-school type games banned. "Keep quiet about accidents at school" policies and teachers with their hands tied. This link seems to agree with us http://www.parentsoutloud.com/health-and-safety-or-madness/ .

It's also good business, it seems over a 100 health and safety laws have been implemented since 1990, giving business the opportunity to make money as government's cash rish enforcers. A glance at the Health and Safety Executive's website shows how the number of regulations has soared during the last 18 years.
 
#18
One of the main reasons for the explosion in allergies amongst children is due to the fact we now bring up children in an over safe almost sterile environment, they are so clean that they are failing to build up any resistance to infection, Parents fear has reduced their children to little couch potatoes who will have numerous medical problems in latter life because of this
Yup. When I grew up at one stage we had 5 dogs and I enjoyed playing with the mutts in the garden and coming in and having dinner. Parents had to keep on telling me to wash my hands :). I have no known allergies, although 70% nitric acid is quite disagreeable to my skin.
 
#19
Clearly a very slow news day for the Telegraph.

The conker issue was sorted years ago and is a H&S myth.

A bullshit article full of myth and non information.
 
#20
'Experts fear that children are being denied the chance to develop properly after being prevented from taking risks at a young age. '

Who?

'According to the latest study, almost a third of teachers said the number of school trips and outdoor activities had also dropped in the last three years because of an increase in paperwork and bureaucracy. '

What study was it?

'surveyed 653 members and found 15 per cent of teachers reported a decline in playground games and sporting activities over the last three years.'

Firstly, this assumes that the decline is due to health and safety laws, and not other factors.

15% of 653 is around 97 teachers. In 2007 there were 25,000 or so schools in the UK. Assuming one teacher from every school makes up the 97; i.e. 97 schools reported a decline, means that 0.3% of schools reported a drop in playground games. The Telegraph isn't the only one who can play with statistics...

'Some 31 per cent of education staff said the number of school trips was also in decline. They blamed a rise in paperwork and the focus on examination results that preventing teachers taking pupils out of the classroom for lengthy periods.'

That's 201 teachers. Again, assuming the teachers are all from different schools (for maximum dispersal), this means 0.8% of schools report a decline. I've used the total number of schools in the UK because the report doesn't specify (much, actually) whether they're primaries or secondaries.
 
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