H&K 416

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Meh... how much of an upgrade is it to replace one 5.56 bullet launcher with another? I'd rather see the extremely effective 6.8mm Remmington round get mated with a gas piston action (like the 416) as a replacement for our weapons. Only the M468/REC7 by Barrett is chambered for it at the moment and that weapon still has the reliability problems inherent with direct gas impingement.
 
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RichieRichard said:
Just found this on youtube about the new H&K 416.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZpZryZEiY4

What does everyone think of this rifle and should it be brought in to replace the L85A2 when it due to come out of service around 2015/2020?

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How Sad. The producers have told him to pronounce the company name 'Heckler and Coke' Presumably when discussing a deadly weapon capable of taking life it would disturb the sensibilities of the gentle viewers to say 'cock'
(and the esteemed mods)
 
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Argee2007 said:
The water test on the M4 didn't go too well on this one :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGwkHktkTxU&feature=related
HK looks very impressive going by that. WE know how to scrap a Colt now!

The FN SCAR strikes me as a well laid out and thought out rifle too. in an intermediate cartridge it would be ideal.

We have got a thread specifically for this type of discussion in QM's so it might be worth having this merged into it.
 
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Also read on the H&K website that the Norwegians have recently bought the 416 as their new replacement rifle. But agree the Barrett M468 would also be a good rifle to replace the L85A2 for the larger calibe bullet.

The 416 was also profiled on the programme Elite Forces on Discovery Channel on Weds. The US Green Berets now prefere it over their own M4 and claim , on the battlefield, it's unrivalled in terms of reliability.
 

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Cloggie said:
Oh,and it's pronounced Heckler & Koch( as in loch,the way the Scottish pronounce it).


Clogs.
Except that north- and south-Germans pronounce Koch differently (I forget which - it's been a long time since me Linguist course). One lot rhyme it with Loch, the others, with Cock.
 
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AlienFTM said:
Cloggie said:
Oh,and it's pronounced Heckler & Koch( as in loch,the way the Scottish pronounce it).


Clogs.
Except that north- and south-Germans pronounce Koch differently (I forget which - it's been a long time since me Linguist course). One lot rhyme it with Loch, the others, with Cock.
And some even pronounce it as in "notch"...

My wife's surname is Koch,and she assures me that it's pronounced as "Loch" :nod:
 
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RichieRichard said:
Also read on the H&K website that the Norwegians have recently bought the 416 as their new replacement rifle. But agree the Barrett M468 would also be a good rifle to replace the L85A2 for the larger calibe bullet.

The 416 was also profiled on the programme Elite Forces on Discovery Channel on Weds. The US Green Berets now prefere it over their own M4 and claim , on the battlefield, it's unrivalled in terms of reliability.
There are some rumours that HK is already working on a HK 418 in 6,8mm....
 
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Photo' in The Times this week of US Forces in Afghanistan, some Gucci looking fellas in Tri Colours with sprayed helmets carrying what looked like the short (CQB?) 416.

I managed to get a go on both the 416 and 417 last year, very nice. Light and simple to use. Switching from bull pup design felt a bit strange but I think I could get used to it!
 
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I bet I look the bees knees with a 416 on the balcony :p
 
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Kit_Monster said:
Photo' in The Times this week of US Forces in Afghanistan, some Gucci looking fellas in Tri Colours with sprayed helmets carrying what looked like the short (CQB?) 416.

I managed to get a go on both the 416 and 417 last year, very nice. Light and simple to use. Switching from bull pup design felt a bit strange but I think I could get used to it!
Got to say the 417 does look like a very, very useful bit of kit

http://www.hk-usa.com/images/shared/HK417 Product Sheet.pdf

Yes 6.8mm versions are knocking around which is not surprising as there is a push in the US for 6.8mm (such as the Barrett REC7, aka M468) in terms of wider adoption. Unfortunately bit of a bitch fight broken out over which 6.8mm cartridge.

http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1143
 
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HK416 - not as reliable as they claim :D



Low rates of fire were being used, no automatic.

Never had an L85 A1/2 Bolt break like this.

Squaddie Proof? - Not British Squaddie Proof! :)
 
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In my time working on the weapons I've never seen a problem with a bolt on the L85. :)
 

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