Gym..

#1
ive joined the gym (jjb) been there for 1 month now and i like it quite a lot i go 3 or 4 times a week a bit of cardio bit of weigts n stuff as well i was thinkin bout goin onto creatine (help me train harder put on a lil weight) the army wont "frown" upon this will they ?

my target for the run is goin too be 2 miles in 12 minutes ! it aint realistic i think i can doo itbout 5 months too do it, i want to get bigger (thats what the creatine is for) so i can piss over the chinups and jerry can walk thing (they still do that right?) good idea to get the creatine or not ? plz only serious replys
 
#4
Tartan_Terrier said:
Sort your spelling and grammar out as well please.

You don't need to be big to do pull-ups, it's just more weight to lift.
The only thing he'll be writing in the gym is "pass" or "fail" on the PFT attendance sheets. I don't a high IQ and literacy rate is all that important stood in front of the mirror!

polar69 said:
I'm pretty sure Creatine would not be a good idea, I'm also pretty sure the Doc would pick up on it in your medical
Nah. Creatine isn't illegal. I hear that many of our Para / SF community use it to aid recovery during their respective selection courses. Creatine doesn't show up on CDT either, or rather it isn't tested for.
 
#5
I know Army and Bootneck PTI's who use it, SNCOs too. RN PTI's too for that matter. Its fine. Makes you dehydrate easily though apparently.
 
#7
If you're focussing on the run, bulking up will be totally counterproductive - big lads are rarely fast at distances over sprint-range (I should know, I'm a total carthorse, myself). Upper body strength isn't solely determined by muscle size, you just need to practice the specific exercise more.

Creatine for boosting stamina really won't make any difference for a PFT, it only really begins to work if you're sustaining the effort over many hours or repeating the exertion over days. Unless you're thinking about running for over an hour in one go, or training 7 days a week (bad idea for other reasons) it's not really going to do you much noticeable good.

My advice: stop looking for magic wands to make things easier and train properly. In any case, if you depend on supplements to meet the basic fitness requirements, what good will you be when you can't get them?
 
#8
thanks for the reply, smartascarrots

i do train properly i go to the gym 3 or 4 times a week (normal day workin out day rest) altho to say i have quite skinny wrists my arms (biceps) are not a bad size, jus when / if it comes to selection i want to put accross a very good first impression, as for the run i can do 2 miles in 18 mins (not good but it aint tht bad neither) my target is 12 mins @ 10mph it jus seems creatine may be the way too go in reguards to helping me train a bit harder and longer, i am goin to increase run times from 15 - 20 mins a week to about 40 -45 and normaly the reason i stop is not so much out of breathe but my legs hurting sometimes chest. was just lookin for some PRODUCTIVE opinions

ps, i dont depend on the supplements (i aint used any yet) jus seems like a good idea like i said to help me train, why struggle so much if i dont have too ?

also thankyou, detonator

leguy, how is it cheating ?
 
#11
... Can cause bladder problems if you stay on it to long though.

You have been warned! Why not use some protein supplements instead? Combined with regular gym sessions sees you building up quite naturally.
 
#12
the creatine i intend on geting is SAN V12 Turbo, it advises 8 weeks on 4 weeks off, so i guess i should be fine in followin them instructions
 
#13
The only way to get fitter is to train harder, want to run faster ? Then push every run to the limits, try and beat your pb every time

Snake oil is only 5% snake, the rest of it is placebo
 
#14
If you really want, try Protein Shakes. These shakes have high protein to help build muscle. Basicly you mix with milk or water and take after exercise. Be warned they do contain high calories so you do need to work out.

http://bodybuilding.com/store/whey.html Read the link for more info.

Best place to buy this stuff is Holland and Barratt. Hope this helps.

By the way, Im not yet Army, hoping to be so I dont know what you can and cant take.
 
#15
UpNorthFighter said:
If you really want, try Protein Shakes. These shakes have high protein to help build muscle. Basicly you mix with milk or water and take after exercise. Be warned they do contain high calories so you do need to work out.

http://bodybuilding.com/store/whey.html Read the link for more info.

Best place to buy this stuff is Holland and Barratt. Hope this helps.

By the way, Im not yet Army, hoping to be so I dont know what you can and cant take.
That post is the biggest load of toss I've ever read.

H&B is the worst place to buy that sort of stuff. For cheap and quality protein then it's www.myprotein.co.uk

As for the creatine, I've got some Maximuscle Cee-Max but still unsure whether to use it. I'll ask someone in the know whether it'll definitely be safe CDT wise and I've also heard it's an anti diuretic so that may be a bit concerning.

Burno.
 
#16
If you stay on creatine for extended periods of time it can cause bladder issues. I have a mate who used creatine extensively, didn't take sufficient/any (not sure which) breaks from using it, and now has issues with wetting the bed. At 24. Highly embarassing for him! :D
 
#17
Locky said:
i do train properly i go to the gym 3 or 4 times a week (normal day workin out day rest) altho to say i have quite skinny wrists my arms (biceps) are not a bad size, jus when / if it comes to selection i want to put accross a very good first impression, as for the run i can do 2 miles in 18 mins (not good but it aint tht bad neither) my target is 12 mins @ 10mph it jus seems creatine may be the way too go in reguards to helping me train a bit harder and longer, i am goin to increase run times from 15 - 20 mins a week to about 40 -45 and normaly the reason i stop is not so much out of breathe but my legs hurting sometimes chest. was just lookin for some PRODUCTIVE opinions

ps, i dont depend on the supplements (i aint used any yet) jus seems like a good idea like i said to help me train, why struggle so much if i dont have too ?

also thankyou, detonator

leguy, how is it cheating ?
weight gain will impair your running time for a start, not help it.
secondly, creatine wont help your running, and will probably give you cramps.

the bold highlights your problem. there arent any short cuts. kick yourself in the arse and train hard, thats the only way to get fit.
whenever i train, it hurts, and its a struggle. thats because i always push myself and always dig deep. if thats not happening you aint working hard.

secondly, it is attempting to cheat really. thousands and thousands of people pass training through sheer hardwork without taking anything to enhance performance. you want to find a way to not work so hard.
now, i accept that people may use it because they need to recover quickly for a very intesive period of exercise, but using it to get fit is totally different.

also, regarding 'making a very good first impression', i dont think the PTI's will care if you look like rambo or like an immate of belsen, its how you do that counts. if you run round in 14 minutes there not going to let you in because you have good sized biceps.
 
#18
Improve your running by running.

Improve your upper body by training it.

Fair enough Creatine is natural substance however altering the levels of it in your body can lead to water control and retention issues. As in Peshing yourself after prolonged uses. Also as has been mentioned dehydration is a side effect.

Get yourself on the treadmill. Get a slight incline then do a mile and a half. Once your under ten thirty on the time keep raising the incline and repeat over however many weeks. Thus lowering your time on the flat and increasing your ability to tackle harsh terrain at a steady pace.

Chin ups are easy to train for. Find a branch. Pull up, and lower, pull up, and lower.

See where i'm going?
 
#19
cobblers. creatine isn't cheating at phys any more than taking a train is cheating at commuting. weight gain in extremes *might* impair your running, but as you train, you will gain more muscle, which weighs more than fat, so ...

anyway, if you were looking for a supplement to take, protein would be better than creatine for reasons i'm not going to list here. if you need any further advice, please feel free to PM me.
 
#20
Creatine is not a performance enhancing drug/supplement.
If it was it would be banned.
It is just a myth that creatine helps with a workout. A myth that is pushed by producers to make you buy it.
Creatine is still a good supplement as it aids recovery by keeping ATP levels high.

the 2nd common myth is that you shouldn't take too much. Well you cant because your body will only use what it needs and the rest will be passed through in just the same way water does if you drink too much.

the 3rd common myth is that it can give you kidney problems. That is just down to the bulking agents and additives. If you get 100%pure creatine monohydrate or even better creatine ethyl ester HCL then you wont have anyproblems.

Some people think that creatine is cheating. Its cheating just about as much as eating a healthy diet and taking vitamin C. If I'm going to be working out, then I want to make the most out of it and recover as quickly as possible to avoid injury.
 

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