Gutless UN in Syria pullout

#1
Britain and France may call for ending the United Nations observer mission in Syria if the unarmed monitors continue to come under fire and can’t carry out their mandate, UN diplomats said.
The countries are waiting for Major General Robert Mood, the Norwegian officer commanding the UN Supervision Mission in Syria, to brief the Security Council this afternoon before deciding whether the mission has a future, according to two diplomats from Security Council member states who asked not to be named for reasons of diplomatic protocol.

UN's Syria Monitors May Face Pullout as Effort Stalls - Businessweek

Unless the UN can use reasonable force in situations, there is little point in sending them in with hands tied by "diplomatic protocol".

Also, anyone who can't find a beret to fit his head is not suitable for command IMO.

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#2
Britain and France may call for ending the United Nations observer mission in Syria if the unarmed monitors continue to come under fire and can’t carry out their mandate, UN diplomats said.
The countries are waiting for Major General Robert Mood, the Norwegian officer commanding the UN Supervision Mission in Syria, to brief the Security Council this afternoon before deciding whether the mission has a future, according to two diplomats from Security Council member states who asked not to be named for reasons of diplomatic protocol.

UN's Syria Monitors May Face Pullout as Effort Stalls - Businessweek

Unless the UN can use reasonable force in situations, there is little point in sending them in with hands tied by "diplomatic protocol".

Also, anyone who can't find a beret to fit his head is not suitable for command IMO.

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Would have eliminated all the 'Paras' of my generation..
 
#4
What point is there in them being in country other than to serve as targets for whichever group they get in the way of?
 
#6
What point is there in them being in country other than to serve as targets for whichever group they get in the way of?
Wasting valuable time and costing lives by delaying the inevitable military intervention in the name of exhausting all diplomatic alternatives, of course. Do keep up.
 
#8
Do we have any personnel out there?
 
#10
Gutless? What do you expect them to do exactly? I think the fact that the observers have tried to get into areas that are either being shelled or about to be shelled is pretty commendable. They've done the best they can with what they have to hand even though the task they've been set is more or less totally pointless. The only thing their deployment there has achieved is that they've been able to act as an outside entity that can give an accurate account of how many people Assad's forces/ the shabiha have actually killed.

On top of that not only have they been shot at by the security forces they've also been put directly in harm's way by the FSA who have worked out that if a UN observer gets killed it'll do a lot for their cause in the eyes of the West. I read a bit the other day about an observer who had been told by rebels to walk down a road (one that they weren't about to go down themselves) because they knew anyone going down there was likely to be hit by indiscriminate fire by government troops. So the UN's bods are now in a situation where both sides are trying to use them to their advantage which can be done by either lying to them or ensuring that the opposite side kills them and looks bad as a result.

And anyway...what do you want them to do? They're unarmed. Do you expect them to catch artillery shells or lead a valiant charge at the Syrian army waving a notepad and a pair of binos?

Get a grip.
 
#11
So the UN's bods are now in a situation where both sides are trying to use them to their advantage which can be done by either lying to them or ensuring that the opposite side kills them and looks bad as a result.
And where, a little closer to home, did we see that in the '90s? Absolutely thankless task being an UNMO IMHO.
 
#13
So what are they to do? Go in all guns blazing, there'll be far more civilian casualties if that happenes. Who do you put in place when Assad gets the chopper? Cuddly puppet dictator who is an American lackey. Cue Iraq MkII.
 
#14
As long as Putin's his pal the only 'chopper' he's likely to get is a mi-24.
 
#15
Y_D

There is a tradition for this kind of mission to be carried out by non-P5 members. It is thought to add creditability to the report of the Commanding General/Admiral not to be 'in the pocket' of those who hold the veto.

Re: UNMOs, by all accounts a fantastic OpTour although can be incredibly frustrating.
 
#16
Britain and France may call for ending the United Nations observer mission in Syria if the unarmed monitors continue to come under fire and can’t carry out their mandate, UN diplomats said.
The countries are waiting for Major General Robert Mood, the Norwegian officer commanding the UN Supervision Mission in Syria, to brief the Security Council this afternoon before deciding whether the mission has a future, according to two diplomats from Security Council member states who asked not to be named for reasons of diplomatic protocol.

UN's Syria Monitors May Face Pullout as Effort Stalls - Businessweek

Unless the UN can use reasonable force in situations, there is little point in sending them in with hands tied by "diplomatic protocol".

Also, anyone who can't find a beret to fit his head is not suitable for command IMO.

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I for one am really glad to see the lessons learned in the former Yugoslavia in practice again. The Haig lawyers must be rubbing their hands together for the latest round of war crimes waiting to punish/defend puppets.

When will we ever learn, you cant use prison/punishment/death sentence as a deterrent to people who dont have the same values as 'normal' folk.

I cant beleive we would let another yugosalvia happen under our noses again, **** russia and china vetos, 2 against how many.....
 
#17
this might be the reason....


Iran, Russia, China, Syria to Stage Biggest Joint Wargames in Middle-East

TEHRAN (FNA)- The Iranian, Russian, Chinese and Syrian armies are due to stage joint amphibious exercises along the Syrian coast in coming weeks, informed sources revealed on Monday.


According to informed sources, 90,000 forces from the four countries will take part in the land and sea wargames due to be held in Syria.

Ground, air and sea forces as well as air defense and missile units of the four countries will take part in the exercises.

Sources also said that Egypt has acceded to grant passage to 12 Chinese warships to sail through the Suez Canal, adding that the military convoy is due to dock at the Syrian harbors in the next two weeks.

Russian atomic submarines and warships, aircraft carriers and mine-clearing destroyers as well as Iranian battleships and submarines will also arrive in Syria at around the same date.

Syria plans to test its coast-to-sea and air defense missiles in the wargames.

A sum of 400 warplanes and 1,000 tanks will also be used in the exercises.

A Syrian official, who asked to remain anonymous, had informed two weeks ago that the drills would be conducted in Syria soon.

Unofficial sources also said the four countries are now busy with taking swift preparatory measures for these biggest ever wargames in the Middle-East.

Sham Life reported that the maneuvers will be stage in less than one month from now, that is early June.



i don't know how true this is, or is it just wishful thinking by the bad guys, but if it is true....

Fars News Agency :: Iran, Russia, China, Syria to Stage Biggest Joint Wargames in Middle-East

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#19
Are they going to stay for a short holiday afterwards?
 
#20
Sun, sea, sand, ruthless oppression. Bit of a busman's holiday surely? They can all get plenty of that at home.
 

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