Gurkha children lose test case

ugly

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ugly

LE
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#3
Well a judge applies the rules, that makes a change!

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ugly

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#4
Look the rules exclude over 18s as children, legally they are only dependant if medically or mentally and haven't settled so that's it I'm afraid! The same rules (ok slightly stricter) meant no emmigration for me as we can't take our 21 year old son with us! No shock so we chose to stay put and not whinge about it and look for legal aid!

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Look the rules exclude over 18s as children, legally they are only dependant if medically or mentally and haven't settled so that's it I'm afraid! The same rules (ok slightly stricter) meant no emmigration for me as we can't take our 21 year old son with us! No shock so we chose to stay put and not whinge about it and look for legal aid!

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You can go on the Arrse in Kathmandu? Cool.
 
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Look the rules exclude over 18s as children, legally they are only dependant if medically or mentally and haven't settled so that's it I'm afraid! The same rules (ok slightly stricter) meant no emmigration for me as we can't take our 21 year old son with us! No shock so we chose to stay put and not whinge about it and look for legal aid!

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Look the rules exclude over 18s as children, legally they are only dependant if medically or mentally and haven't settled so that's it I'm afraid! The same rules (ok slightly stricter) meant no emmigration for me as we can't take our 21 year old son with us! No shock so we chose to stay put and not whinge about it and look for legal aid!

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wheh? what constituites settled these days?
besides you're right the first time. law is upheld, just another outrage story for the media bus.
 
#9
Strange Folk the Gurkha.
I only did 12 months with them back in 79-80 and way back then considered them far to Political.
The only instance of Mutiny I witnesses was by four given an order by a Brit Staff Sgt, they then went away discussed it came back and their L/Cpl said No.
Mind you he was a Dejarling (Spelling) Walla, an Indian, the unit clerk.
I stept in and carried out the task with one of the other Brits present. Bad business could have had serious consequences, all round had the matter gone further. No order not given in Gurkali need be obeyed.
Many Brits liked having some one stand to attention in front of them and call them Sahib, really annoyed me when the Gurkha RSM did it with me. But I knew he did not mean it, which is something, some learn when serving with them.
My father always maintained that a Gurkha Patrol saved his life back in WW II, but what I will say is that Johnny G of today is not the man of that era.
We have retired Brit Gurkha Officers where I live and for at least one there are still Officers and Other ranks.
A WW II vet who lives local, commanded many different races of the India Army during his time and of the Gurkha he says their Brit Officers where always demanding some form of special treatment for their troops.
Seems some things never change.

john
 

OldSnowy

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They are an anachronism, cost more than they are worth, and aren't, I'm afraid, any better than their non-Gurkha counterparts. We don't retain Sikh or Baluchi or Kenyan or Nigerian Regiments, so why them?
 
#11
Because Argies dont shit themselves when they hear Nigerians are facing them.
 
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Jon Willy,

You worked with them in 79-80 and then talk of "the Ghurkha" of today?

That's as close to WW2 as it is to today.

From my recent experience I rate them. They're consistent, loyal and they can recruit like ****. You don't get undermanned RGR Bns. Whilst UK Bns can struggle to man, the Gs have huge numbers of applicants per PID. Equally, because none leave competition for promotion is huge. This lends filters at every level which aren't there in many UK Bns.

This may not make them the best, but they're certainly not the worst. Top student on the most recent PSBC was a Ghurkha.
 
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They are an anachronism, cost more than they are worth, and aren't, I'm afraid, any better than their non-Gurkha counterparts. We don't retain Sikh or Baluchi or Kenyan or Nigerian Regiments, so why them?
Yet we do continue to heavily recruit African's, Caribbeans and Fijians. None of whom, in my experience, are anywhere near comparable to JG. If we are to discuss "anachronisms" then let's concentrate of binning the dross Commonwealth Soldier's before we set to destroying 2 effective RGR Bn's, who are well worthy of their place in the INF ORBAT.I think you'll find a few Brit Bn's who would quickly shy away from any meaningful comparison of effectivness between themselves and a RGR Bn.

I'm all for this decision, seems they've managed to hit it bang on for once. JG needs to be careful with highlighting his baggage like this. Public sympathy is shrinking with the ever growing tide of mass whinging and I believe they will ulitmately bring about their own downfall because of it.
 
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I fail to see what the problem is here, a judge has upheld the law, it quite simply just sucks to be them.

Ghurkas are no better and no worse than any other Infantry soldiers I've worked with over the years.
 

Legs

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#18
I'm of the opinion that the time of the Ghurkas in the British Army is coming to a close.

Think about it. They are no longer as economically viable as they were. Their wages, pensions and immigration status has seen to that. Are they any better as soldiers that the Paras, Rifles, Yorks etc? I doubt it.

If we must cut infantry numbers I think we should be more protectionist of our British Regiments, and lose the anachronism of a foreign regiment fighting for us.
 

ugly

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#19
I certainly dont hate them but would if they were cost effective man for man over a UK Bn support their retention but St Joanna of Lumley has dropped them in the brown stuff with the help of Clegg and Cameron, I bet they are quite happy now they can say to Parliament that cost wise it is no longer worth retaining segregated Bns and they will be integrated. I wonder how long the queue for recruitment would last then?
It would also tick the Govts ethnic diversity box and equality at the same time, the JG get preferential treatment, own language, own units and if you as a non nepalese serve with them you integrate.
The judge is doing them a favour, the Uk is a shithole and their pensions will go further at home. I understand we provide funding for veterans hospital in Kat, lets cut the Indian aid and fully support that. Everyone will be better off!
 

ugly

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I'm of the opinion that the time of the Ghurkas in the British Army is coming to a close.

Think about it. They are no longer as economically viable as they were. Their wages, pensions and immigration status has seen to that. Are they any better as soldiers that the Paras, Rifles, Yorks etc? I doubt it.

If we must cut infantry numbers I think we should be more protectionist of our British Regiments, and lose the anachronism of a foreign regiment fighting for us.
If you go into our current regimental histories, many were foreign raised regiments. Its up to the JG now to become British soldiers in british regiments or not bother.
 

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