Gun smuggling common in UK army

#1
Heared this story on the radio whilst travelling to work yesterday (see the link):-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7366279.stm

Those found guilty got what they deserved however I'd take issue with the MOD for stating " there was no evidence such guns were used in crimes in the UK". The MOD appear to have short memories having forgotten about the late Vickie Fletcher, killed by an ex-SAS/RAMC doctor. Again see the link:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/719328.stm
 
#3
I got the feeling that this the comment was simply a "well everyone else was doing it!!" defence. An attepmt by the guilty party to lessen thier transgression. I wouldn't be surprised if it had little basis in reality. having said that, there will now have to be a lot more searches of, well, everything, coming back to the UK.

Having said thet, im not really in a position to comment, being a civvie!!

Ski.
 
#4
I recall a bloke handing in a mint condition AK47 under anonimity during a firearms amnesty in the mid 90's, only to find his name, rank, corps & a photo of the damn thing on the front page of the bicester advertiser the following week!

Thames Valley police really shot themselves in the foot...
 
#6
fingers_1661 said:
I recall a bloke handing in a mint condition AK47 under anonimity during a firearms amnesty in the mid 90's, only to find his name, rank, corps & a photo of the damn thing on the front page of the bicester advertiser the following week!

Thames Valley police really shot themselves in the foot...
Say no more............. :twisted: :)
 
#7
fingers_1661 said:
I recall a bloke handing in a mint condition AK47 under anonimity during a firearms amnesty in the mid 90's, only to find his name, rank, corps & a photo of the damn thing on the front page of the bicester advertiser the following week!

Thames Valley police really shot themselves in the foot...
What happened to the lad who handed it in?
 
#8
Two former soldiers who were jailed for their involvement in a gun smuggling ring have said the practice is common in the British army.

Shane Pleasant and Ben Whitfield were in the Third Battalion, the Yorkshire Regiment, when they helped to smuggle weapons from Iraq into Europe.

They said if soldiers had the right contacts it was easy to smuggle weapons out of countries.

The MoD said there was no evidence such guns were used in crimes in the UK.

The two soldiers told BBC Radio 5 Live that weapons could be obtained in Iraq or Afghanistan, either by buying or stealing from locals and foreign police.

Both soldiers said that with the right contacts it was easy to smuggle the weapons into the UK, but both the Ministry of Defence and the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) said there was little cause for concern.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7366279.stm

So, two JNCO's serving in an infantry battalion who were convicted by Court Martial of smuggling weapons into the UK feel that they were so well placed that they could see that this was widespread across the British Army? Give me a fukcing break.

I agree with SkiCarver - I think it's a case of, "Well everyone else was doing it".

Appeal in the pipeline perhaps?
 
#9
Bonzo_Dog said:
I agree with SkiCarver - I think it's a case of, "Well everyone else was doing it".

Appeal in the pipeline perhaps?
If they use this as a defence, then they are going to have to prove it is so...

msr
 
#10
amazing__lobster said:
fingers_1661 said:
I recall a bloke handing in a mint condition AK47 under anonimity during a firearms amnesty in the mid 90's, only to find his name, rank, corps & a photo of the damn thing on the front page of the bicester advertiser the following week!

Thames Valley police really shot themselves in the foot...
What happened to the lad who handed it in?
If I remember correctly it turned out to be de-activated and he hadn't done anything wrong, just the press as usual talking bollocks.

Theres more profit to be made smuggling cigerettes into the UK than there is firearms and a lot less risk.
 
#11
Love the bit where they say that it is so easy to smuggle weapons - yeah fellas - so easy that you got caught and jailed - and a couple of your mates are still in nick - one of then got 10 years, another got 9 1/2.

And then the numpties say that is a country awash with hardware they had to buy them off locals!
 
#12
SkiCarver said:
there will now have to be a lot more searches of, well, everything, coming back to the UK.
Op PLUNDER?
 
#13
Given that I have twice fallen foul of the RAF plod / customs inspection on return from Ops (with a perfectly legal knife that was brought into theatre from my home station in the first place), I doubt smuggling firearms is easy or common.
 
#14
Dog-faced-soldier said:
Given that I have twice fallen foul of the RAF plod / customs inspection on return from Ops (with a perfectly legal knife that was brought into theatre from my home station in the first place), I doubt smuggling firearms is easy or common.
Actually its not that hard, for some reason the RMP think that their little silver seals prevent people from smuggling, (be it guns or anything else) and believe me it doesn't.
 
#15
You are right stacker - but it is not as easy as it was, and with the number of times that kit is now searched, sniffed, scanned etc on its way back the risks are high.
 
#16
chimera said:
You are right stacker - but it is not as easy as it was, and with the number of times that kit is now searched, sniffed, scanned etc on its way back the risks are high.
As the RDG found out very recently in Kuwait when a "lost" plasma TV and 10k fags where found in their kit, However for anyone who deals with kit alot (I.E. us loggies) then its not that difficult to get away with it, even if contraband is found its very hard to prove which individual done it.
As I said ealier though guns don't make that much money, people normally smuggle them back as war trophies.
 
#17
he two soldiers told BBC Radio 5 Live that weapons could be obtained in Iraq or Afghanistan, either by buying or stealing from locals and foreign police.
Apparently weapons can be obtained in Iraq or Afghanistan. Another Pulitzer-winning scoop brought to you by the BBC.
 
#18
amazing__lobster said:
fingers_1661 said:
I recall a bloke handing in a mint condition AK47 under anonimity during a firearms amnesty in the mid 90's, only to find his name, rank, corps & a photo of the damn thing on the front page of the bicester advertiser the following week!

Thames Valley police really shot themselves in the foot...
What happened to the lad who handed it in?
He wasn't the wrongdoer, it was the police who had the explaining to do.
 

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