Gulf Veterans Plan Protest.

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1st Gulf War Veterans are planning a protest on the 28Th February 2011, (date the War ended) outside the houses of parliament. Why?. Well 20 years on and we still have no answers as to why so many veterans are so ill. Why, this and previous governments have ignored medical/ scientific findings.
Why, we have to take the MOD & VA to court and tribunals to fight for pennies in pensions.

Will you get in with the programme and join them for the big win ?
 
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1st Gulf War Veterans are planning a protest on the 28Th February 2011, date the War ended, outside the houses of parliament. Why?. Well 20 years on and we still have no answers as to why so many veterans are so ill. Why, this and previous governments have ignored medical/ scientific findings.
Why, we have to take the MOD & VA to court and tribunals to fight for pennies in pensions.

Will you get in with the programme and join them for the big win ?
We've had this discussion before... what medical or scientific findings have been 'ignored' exactly? By what I mean name the studies.
 
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We've had this discussion before... what medical or scientific findings have been 'ignored' exactly? By what I mean name the studies.
Nick "turncoat" Clegg for example, he promised that he would, if elected, implement all the recommendations of the Lord Lloyd of Berwick inquiry as he accepted its findings in full.

However, when this horible little man get's a whif of power, he goes all native on us (the Gulf vets)

This is the typical attitude of our M.Ps today regarding it's veteran community, which is quite wrong.

You can not trust M.Ps anymore.

B.T.W Would you like to put your name to this petition?

Gulf War 1990/91 Justice, Fair Treatment and Appropriate Testing for the remaining Veterans
 
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Nick "turncoat" Clegg for example, he promised that he would, if elected, implement all the recommendations of the Lord Lloyd of Berwick inquiry as he accepted its findings in full.

However, when this horible little man get's a whif of power, he goes all native on us (the Gulf vets)

This is the typical attitude of our M.Ps today regarding it's veteran community, which is quite wrong.

You can not trust M.Ps anymore.

B.T.W Would you like to put your name to this petition?

Gulf War 1990/91 Justice, Fair Treatment and Appropriate Testing for the remaining Veterans
Clegg is the minority partner in a coalition. He doesn't really have much power. The problem is that the Lloyd enquiry has been superceded by the KCL report that says, as did all the expert evidence supplied to the DoD in the US (that the committee bizarrely ignored), there isn't a single condition, so the Lloyd enquiry is less relevant now. I agree with all that Prof. Wessely has to say about this.

I won't be signing the petition. There's some valid stuff about appropriate medical testing and treatment and the difficulties in accessing war pensions but it mentions GWS, which I'm satisfied doesn't exist per se.
 
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Clegg is the minority partner in a coalition. He doesn't really have much power. The problem is that the Lloyd enquiry has been superceded by the KCL report that says, as did all the expert evidence supplied to the DoD in the US (that the committee bizarrely ignored), there isn't a single condition, so the Lloyd enquiry is less relevant now. I agree with all that Prof. Wessely has to say about this.

I won't be signing the petition. There's some valid stuff about appropriate medical testing and treatment and the difficulties in accessing war pensions but it mentions GWS, which I'm satisfied doesn't exist per se.
Gulf vets are now fed up with 20 years of cock and bull excuses by both Red and Blue Big Brothers.

This attitude and approach has only suppressed and insulted them - thus forcing the veterans to dispense their own form of justice and payback. (strictly in full compliance with the law of the land)

Now they are about to blow their own trumpets, and who can blame them?
 
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Well I would far rather support Gulf Vets than students. Just remember not to throw any fire extinguishers.

I am not convinced by Gulf War Syndrome per se like a lot of others but that doesnt mean that individuals who have suffered medical problems associated with their time in the military shouldnt be adequately looked after.

The main problem with GWS as with global warming and other band-wagon issues is to get everyone to stop talking psuedo-science and deal in facts.
 
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Gulf vets are now fed up with 20 years of cock and bull excuses by both Red and Blue Big Brothers.

This has suppressed and insulted them.

Now they are about to blow their own trumpets, and who can blame them?
How many studies will it take for you to understand that this doesn't appear to be one condition?

The problem is that if you keep going on and on about this particular issue then you're missing the point. The point actually is that, as Prof Wesseley states, there are a number of different health problems that seem to be related to service in GW1. If all that's discussed is GWS it distracts from sensible research into the causes of these illnesses and possible treatments for them.
 
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How many studies will it take for you to understand that this doesn't appear to be one condition?

The problem is that if you keep going on and on about this particular issue then you're missing the point. The point actually is that, as Prof Wesseley states, there are a number of different health problems that seem to be related to service in GW1. If all that's discussed is GWS it distracts from sensible research into the causes of these illnesses and possible treatments for them.
We will gladly eliminate the words G.W.S from now on just for you psychobabble.

From now on it will be signs and symptoms of ill health that are possibly related to service in the Persian Gulf War of 1990-1. (Jesus, that's a mouth full) We try to cater for our political correct friends too you see !

Prof Wesseley has stated that he has now run out of idea's regarding any further research on this issue.(see the BBC link)
 
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We will gladly eliminate the words G.W.S from now on just for you psychobabble.

From now on it will be signs and symptoms of ill health that are possibly related to service in the Persian Gulf War of 1990-1. (Jesus, that's a mouth full) We try to cater for our political correct friends too you see !

Prof Wesseley has stated that he has now run out of idea's regarding any further research on this issue.(see the BBC link)
I'd already read it. He means in terms of the illnesses being linked to gulf service. This isn't about political correctness either. As I've repeatedly stated it's about evidence.
 
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I'd already read it. He means in terms of the illnesses being linked to gulf service. This isn't about political correctness either. As I've repeatedly stated it's about evidence.
Lets hope it's not Like the evidence our government gave us about W.M.D ! ........... All a pack of lies!
 
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Lets hope it's not Like the evidence our government gave us about W.M.D ! ........... All a pack of lies!
It isn't, it's solid evidence based on research carried out by the most expert medics in their field on both sides of the Atlantic and that meets the standards of research required for publication in journals.

Consultant doctors don't tend to toe the party line and get very vocal if you suggest that they do!
 
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I Agree that GWS as a blanket approach is wrong and in reality has no credability. Now if for example you start quoteing figures and medical evidence showing that exposure to the oil fires has a direct link to Asthma I like many others would sit up and pay attention.
However I not that long ago looked through some of the bumf sent to me by a Gulf veterans group basicly saying if you sufferd from any of the following (the list seemed to my medicly untrained eye to contain every Illness from piles to ingrown toe nails) then its allmost certain you have GWS.

Being a soldier is a hard life that causes excessive wear and tear on the body far more than the average man in the street has to endure Many only expriencing problems once they leave the colours. This reality should be properly recognised and dealt with, cheapening these problems by inventing a condition that no medical expert recognises does a diservice to GW1 veterans (myself included)
 
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I've put on almost 4 stone since 1990. I blame the NAPS.
 
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MM weight gain a Gulf related issue as well great what an excuse, I can happily endulge in 20 pints of lager and A Kebab bought to act as compass tonight safe in the knowledge my spreading girth is all Saddam Hussians fualt.

Hanging is too good for him (hang on he has been cause for celabration!!!! make that 30 pints of lager and a extra large Kebbab 'no sauce')
 
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I Agree that GWS as a blanket approach is wrong and in reality has no credability. Now if for example you start quoteing figures and medical evidence showing that exposure to the oil fires has a direct link to Asthma I like many others would sit up and pay attention.
However I not that long ago looked through some of the bumf sent to me by a Gulf veterans group basicly saying if you sufferd from any of the following (the list seemed to my medicly untrained eye to contain every Illness from piles to ingrown toe nails) then its allmost certain you have GWS.
Being a soldier is a hard life that causes excessive wear and tear on the body far more than the average man in the street has to endure Many only expriencing problems once they leave the colours. This reality should be properly recognised and dealt with, cheapening these problems by inventing a condition that no medical expert recognises does a diservice to GW1 veterans (myself included)
Your point is very well made.
 
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So is this one ! ...


Kev Doughty sent a message to the members of First Gulf War (90/91) Veterans Protest.
Kev Doughty
Kev DoughtyJanuary 22, 2011 at 9:51am
Subject: Protest March info.. ;-)
Kev Doughty 22 January at 09:48 Following Mine, Kerry and Nick's recce of the route the other day, the following observations have been made. From the Union Jack Club the Protest Site is approximately a 30 minute slow walk, plenty of dropped kerbs for wheel-chair users. Those not staying at the UJ Club can either meet us a County Hall which is a massive hollow square (Google Earth) or the closest Underground Station is Westminster, once at Westminster Tube Station you need Exit 4, which has a lift. The Protest site is Old Palace Yard, which is @ 50 metres past the recent student protest site which is fenced off. It is a triangular park with a statue of George V in the middle, but plenty of main road frontage and opposite Westminster Abbey.. Toilets are located close by & we will be having TV and Press Coverage on the day.. Any questions, suggestions or quieries just ask.. Those not in possession of one, you can apply for a "Veterans Oyster Card" for unlimited tube travel, me & Kerry used ours and they are well worth the price of a stamp.. ;-)

To all British War veterans .......... Come and join us for the big win!
 

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