Guatemala

Discussion in 'Int Corps' started by Slightly_Nasty, Nov 12, 2006.

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  1. I think I know the answer to this one already, but just wanted to confirm with some of the veterans of this site before taking further action.
    I was in Morrison's supermarket with my British Legion collecting tin last night, when some bloke in his late 40s walked up to me for a chat. Straight away, he got my back up because he said something like "that's quite an impressive set of medals, you've nearly got as many as me". I mean, FFS what sort of nob says things like that? If it had been in the Mess he would have got a smack.
    He then went on to spin me a story about how he was "ex Navy Intel", and did a lot of undercover work with Special Forces. One operation he mentioned specifically was an SAS rescue mission to get French and American diplomats out of Guatemala in 1985, when the bullets were apparently flying like rain. He pointed to a few creases on his head that looked like normal age-related lines to me and commented how "you don't get these sort of scars from just getting older". Continuing his story, he related how the SAS had somehow f*cked up in a non-specific way, resulting in him being shot several times and having to leave the Navy.
    Points to note:
    The guy looked nothing like SF; he was fat and pasty looking.
    He told me all this within 90 seconds of meeting him.
    I have 6 medals, so he was implying at least 7. I was in the Army in 1985 when he supposedly left, and people just didn't get that amount of medals in those days, not even SF, unless they had received several gallantry awards.
    I was also in Belize in 1987, and again in 1988, yet have never heard of this incident (and told him so). I've also done a quick google search, and can find no reference to it, in fact 1985 was a very stable year by Guatemalen standards, for it was when Vinicio Cerezo was first elected President. The next coup (serious coup, I mean) was not until 1988, and I remember it well because I was just across the border when it happened.
    The chances are that I will meet this tosser again; he may even be a member of my Legion branch. If I do, it is 99% certain I will expose him for the complete walt he is and perhaps give him a gentle slap too, if he is wearing medals to which he is not entitled. However, I just wanted to make sure. Have any of the old sweats heard of this incident. Does anyone find it remotely plausible, because I certainly don't.
    Grateful for any opinions you may have. And site admin, if the incident is indeed true, and still highly classified, feel free to delete this post and shout at me.
     
  2. can't believe you're giving yourself a heart attack over a walt encounter. just pop down your local ACF hut, i think you will probably find him in there spinning yarns about how he was the 9th member of the B20 club, who was recalled from retirement after being the only Brit in vietnam.

    and if you really do object to "who's got more medals" pissing matches, i suggest you keep clear of howayman ;)

    now go to bed you sad 70s porn star lookalike.
     
  3. Mind your OPSEC!

    Probably a 49 Para job here, I bet he knows Spud, Taff and Smudge who did a lot of that sort of thing with Knocker Brown. Sounds like a complete fabrication to me, but what would I know working in the bedding store?

    You should have dropped a few hints about your service with MI 11 and arranged to meet him for a pint.
     
  4. That's settled then, next time I see him I'll beat him like a ginger step-child. :)

    And you're missing the point CR. I'm not bothered how many medals he has if they're properly earned. But how many of us would turn round to someone else and say that sort of thing? I suggest only a complete w@nker, or someone with the mental age of a spoilt child would do it.
     
  5. In a similar vein, at the war memorial in Hitchin on Saturday I spotted a chap sporting a '39-45 War Medal and a Golden Jubilee Medal (along with trews, a Highlander's blazer badge, and a glengarry with a non-military badge). Now if he was just of serving age in 1945 how did he qualify for the Golden Jubilee medal in 2002 - 57 years later (at 75 years old minimum)? He had a couple of other medals that I couldn't identify in between.

    The only person I know has qualified is our Colonel-in-Chief. Anyone have any ideas?
     
  6. Me! When I see people in the mess with 1 medal (the jubilee) or 2 medals (jubilee & LS&GC). These type of war dodgers deserve all the abuse one can muster! Especially when they're AGC.
     
  7. I haven't got either of those (I was cruelly judged by my CO in my youth). That must make me a really successful Dodger!

    (...but I wasn't AGC..)
     
  8. To my utter astonishment, not only do I have an LS&GC, but also, according to this handy little red book, my conduct was exemplary. Let's all hear it for pleas of mitigation.

    Of course, no sexy gongs to go with them, just the GSM 1962 and ACSM, none of your lovely UN/NATO/EU "freezing on a hill top" or assorted warm places ones. I feel unloved, half the TA at this morning's Rem Sunday thing in the town had more.
     
  9. Oh, don’t feel bad about it, Glad. I only have my GSM - I wasn’t in long enough for an Undetected Crime Medal, and even if I had been my conduct wasn’t good enough :twisted:

    I was rather humbled at the Remembrance service in Northampton, wearing my single gong in the presence of the old and bold with their impressive displays, one including a DFC, but I’d rather have just that than the buckshee fruit salad that some armies hand out.
     
  10. Surely your ACSM has about 20 bars?
     
  11. No, that was the cell window at 10 Regt RCT. At least my GSM has a little oakleaf on it. (Which I got for accumulating 'Rice Krispy' boxtops and brownnosing the same CO who had a few years earlier frowned on my conduct).
     
  12. Please

    Let's get this thread back on topic.

    What about the bath in the Rose Garden Whiskey?
     
  13. Was this Rose Garden in Guatemala then?
     
  14. Warm, stagnant and aromatic, with a large bottom-feeding population.


    (What's this ACSM, then? Something Saint Tone brought in to raise morale by a few percentage points? Missed that.)
     
  15. My "mate" remembers the Rose Garden being in Belize near Airport Camp?