Guards

#3
....and they march very nicely and ALWAYS have clean shoes.
 
#5
Yes, many of them star in gay porn flicks in thier pretty red marching jackets
 
#7
Feck

I had some sections of guards during TELIC. Good soldiers.
That said, it depends on what you want from your soldiering. With the Household Div, there is always the potential for extra drill.
 
#8
dogmonkey said:
I had some sections of guards during TELIC. That said, it depends on what you want from your soldiering. With the Household Div, there is always the potential for extra drill.
Is it just me, or is this another case of latent homosexuality?
Must go and scrub my mind out with carbolic.
 
#10
Puerile? Moi? I thought I was just being childish.
Have a good look around - you'll probably find your sense of humour which you've clearly lost.
Seeya!
 
#11
Feckoff, it depends on what type of information you require, but I'll do my best.

Firstly I'm an ex Guardsman and spent 18 years there. As I don't know which regiment of Guards you will be posted to I can only give you a general outline of the Household Division and ofcourse a detailed explanation of my previous Regiment (Scots Guards)

You may have heard the rumour that there is a lot of 'bullshit' in the Guards - quite the opposite is true! High standards are set during training and maintained throughout a Guardsman's career, be it the minimum or the full 22 yrs and beyond. Even my wife said she could tell the difference between a Guardsman and another soldier in the army. Yes drill plays a key part in a Guardsman's life BUT their primary role is Infantry Soldier.

Those individuals who tend to rabbit on about bullshit in the Guards probably haven't actually served with them, or if they have served attached to a Guards Bn, couldn't produce the standard and discipline expected of individuals which was sometimes the case with attached NCO's. But those who have been attached and produced those standards, a lot of them actually try and stay because they have made a number of friends and enjoyed their time there.

As for soldiering, the standard is amongst the highest you'd expect from the infantry. The Guards produce a great number of instructors at Army Trg Centres (including Corps Trg Centres like Arborfield for the REME). You will find Guardsmen instructing in places such as Sandhurst, Brecon and on attachement to other armies as instructors. In addition a number serve with special forces and David Sterling (SAS founder) was indeed Scots Guards.

I don't know what your level of experience and what rank you are, but suffice to say you are treated like an adult and not micro-managed. Infantry soldiers have a lot to think about on the battlefield and a lot of time is dedicated to trg. But when there is time to be had off, time is had off. You don't get some CSM (SSM) finding **** tasks for the lads to do because he's split with his wife and living the mess with nowhere to go on a friday afternoon. AND certainly you will not find yourself on 'Monday Morning Parades' or indeed RSM's or SSM's parades once a month with starched combat 95 and bulled combat highs.

If you are posted to a unit in Germany, then you will be in an armoured unit and very little drill will take place (not to say you as attached personnel would do much drill back in London). If you are a Sgt's mess member - stand by for some of the best mess experience you're likely to see. If you are a Cpl, then after approx 6 months in the Bn you will be offered Sgts mess status as a Lance Sergeant (Cpl with 3 chevrons) and you will have the bonus of being a Cpl in the mess. If you are below that rank, there is the Cpls mess (not all Bn's have one) or the JRC to enjoy yourself.

Generally speaking Guardsmen work hard and reap the benefits when there is time off.

The Guards Div have taken part in the most recent conflicts. Irish Gds in Telic, 1st Bn Scots Guards (me included) Op Grandby - Gulf 1 and 2nd Bn Scots Guards The Falklands. Credit has to be given to 2SG as they hadn't the time to train as the likes of the Paras or Marines. But by the time they got there, they where ready to fight. That's testament to the standards and discipline they strive to achieve and maintain.

As for Minister_doh_nut - perhaps you'd be good enough to wander up to a Guardsman and put your thoughts to him - it would be intersting to see the outcome........... :!:
 

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#12
Jockdude wrote:
my wife said she could tell the difference between a Guardsman and another soldier in the army
Did she do much research? :D
 
#13
jockdude said:
1st Bn Scots Guards (me included) Op Grandby - Gulf 1 and 2nd Bn Scots Guards The Falklands. Credit has to be given to 2SG as they hadn't the time to train as the likes of the Paras or Marines.
I was starting to like this post until this cr*p appeared. Firstly it was Op GRANBY - but that's nothing against the cake & arrse party which saw 2 SG selected for Op CORPORATE over the in-role, fully trained SPEARHEAD battalion at the time. Pure presentational sh*te. Some tw*t in the corridors of power wanted Household Div representation in this little headline grabber and thrust the unready, untrained etc etc SG into the fray. In my early army career it was my first experience of army politics - particularly in relation to Household Div.
And that explains why the predominance of their SNCOs at prestigious training institutions is rife. You're not telling me that every single WO1 in the Infantry, or any other corps is less qualified than the current or past AcSM at RMAS?
Wake up and smell the coffee - or has your blue and red indoctrination completely turned you loopy?
 
#14
but that's nothing against the cake & arrse party which saw 2 SG selected for Op CORPORATE over the in-role, fully trained SPEARHEAD battalion at the time.
That was the Green Jackets, wasn't it?
 
#15
Macks - no it wasn't - and checking your avatar it looks like you were / are Lt Div. I do know who it was, as I was, shall we say, deeply involved in the whole sorry episode.
 
#16
Milan Pl Stmn

that's nothing against the cake & arrse party which saw 2 SG selected for Op CORPORATE over the in-role, fully trained SPEARHEAD battalion at the time
Perhaps if the 'in-role, fully trained SPEARHEAD battalion at the time' where up to the job, they'd have kept the role!!!!! And a very important point to remember - the Battle Honour of Tumbledown 2SG won. With Military Crosses etc.

And that explains why the predominance of their SNCOs at prestigious training institutions is rife. You're not telling me that every single WO1 in the Infantry, or any other corps is less qualified than the current or past AcSM at RMAS?
No! That's not what was said. But lets look at it in a little detail - are you saying Guards instructors in prestigious institutions is rife because of a favourable selection process or, is it because of the high standards they set and don't have a 'cowboy attitude' to soldiering.

Look matey, I put all in Infantry Soldiers in the 'Outstanding' bracket. Some however, are more outstanding than others.

People like us don't make the decisions. I'm sure the CO of both Regiments fought their own corners as hard as each other. Unfortunately one had to lose - accept it!!

Going back to Op Granby (apologies for the earlier spelling mistake), 1 SG deployed as BCR's. The majority staying in Blackadder Camp in Saudi Arabia. Don't remember politics playing a role there and the CO of 1SG getting his own battlegroup. Some of us had to be content with deploying with other brigades.

I get the impression that you think Guards battalions whilst stationed in and around London, only do public duties and stag on outside Buckingham Palace. You need to take the blinkers off as you come across as an individual who probably has 'a mate of a mate of a mate' who once spent a week attached to a Guards Bn and have absolutely no experience of them.

I'm also pleased that the 'cr*p' I wrote stirred you a little to post something a lot more constructive than the 'p1ss taking sh1te' you had written previously.

As for the blue and red indoctrination sending me loopy!! No mate, if that was the case, I'd never have transferred so late on in my career to another Corps.
 
#17
Macks - no it wasn't - and checking your avatar it looks like you were / are Lt Div. I do know who it was, as I was, shall we say, deeply involved in the whole sorry episode.
Ah. Apologies Milan, seems I've been misinformed.
Anyway, back to the discussion...
 

FBW

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#18
being an ex-guardsman myself i totally agree with jockdude , lots of other units think all we do is duties at buck house etc but you wont find a better inf solider than a guardsman, we only use bullshit when needed , how many times have you seen other units with sewn in creases on ex. other units i have worked with since including my corp believe in far too much excess bulshit
 
#19
Sorry to see this thread slip to a slanging match for awhile there , I remember having some very wrong opinions of the the Gaurds untill my troop became the Close recce troop for a Gaurds BG, and in all my time in Recce we were never better looked after and appreciated for our work than we were with those guys. The treatment we got with them was second to none, we were never misused or tasked wrongly and the whole experience was absolutely fantastic, and yes the mess was superb and we were treated very well indeed
And on Tumbledown................they were exceptional.
 
#20
The Scots and Welsh Guards were not the ideal units to be sent to boost the Parachute Regiment and Marines in the Falklands and I believe they will be the first to admit it.

They were unfit, and ill prepared for infantry war fighting operations as was stated in the Post OP Report, and strangely enough the U.S. analysis of the Operation.

Having said that, they were just as gutsy as anyone else at the end of the day, and when they did close with the enemy they did the business.

I think the Foot Guards as a whole had their eyes opened by their many failings highlighted during this operation, and quite simply reassessed their standards and approach, and like all good units took the lessons on board and learned from them.

Shortly after the war finished I ran the Jungle Warfare Training phase of a Kenya trip for one of the Guards Battalions and found the toms and NCO,s to be sound, if not greatly led by their Officers.

They fancy themselves to be "above" the other standard Infantry "Line" units and have an elitist view of themselves.

Nothing wrong with that, its what makes our army.

We all think our particular unit to be the best, and long may that continue.
 

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