Guards Officer class?

#1
I'm currently looking at (among other things) joining the Grenadier Guards. I was thinking of going in as a soldier but at college I am getting and predicted good enough grades to go officer. The problem is that I am not posh. If I went in as an officer would I be immediatly alienated for not being 'one of them'?

Also all my mates in the army are all rankers and I don't want to alienate myself from them or have to pay huge mess bills which (as a not-really-middle-class bloke) I would not be able to afford..

Any opinions?
 

mysteron

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#3
Go have a look at the huge thread in the officers forum. Do a touch of research, go on lots of Fam visits and make a decision for yourself. There is only one person who can answer that question - YOU.

You will go on a Fam Visit one day and decide that this is the Regt/Corps for you.

You need to make that decision - bugger me sunshine, if you get in - those whom you lead will be looking at you earnestly to make the right ones becuase irrespective of being in barracks, on exercise or on ops - it is their lives that are about to be affected by your decision.
 
#5
Do you go out on the King's road in London? Do you wear naff suits and shoes? A respective 'yes' and 'no' to these questions would probably mean you would be suitable as a Guards Officer! Look around and see who you get on with when you do the Fam visits.
 
#6
Mazur_UK said:
I'm currently looking at (among other things) joining the Grenadier Guards. I was thinking of going in as a soldier but at college I am getting and predicted good enough grades to go officer. The problem is that I am not posh. If I went in as an officer would I be immediatly alienated for not being 'one of them'?

Also all my mates in the army are all rankers and I don't want to alienate myself from them or have to pay huge mess bills which (as a not-really-middle-class bloke) I would not be able to afford..

Any opinions?
Not sure about the "posh" bit when wanting to be an officer. You may be alienated by a few, but you'd have more respect from the troops not being "posh".

Not everybody gets out the bath when they want a p!ss. And so long as your missus don't walk about in green wellies, green tights, body warmer, barbour jkt, and wear one of those silly headbands you'll be ok.

B_T :lol:
 
#7
Great advice from Mysteron. You need to find out more about what each Regiment is like. There is no doubt that in some Regiments are more expensive to live in than others, for a number of reasons.
 
#9
May I ask what drew you towards the Gren Guards in the first place?
Is there some sort of connection or is it the only unit you know of?
:?
 
#10
When I asked a recruiter if Guards Regiments recruit in certain areas he said that they do and that the Gren's recruit in my area - Cambs
 
#11
but what drew you to the guards? It doesn't affect me as your not in my Reg recruiting area (not that this matters to be honest) but just interested?
 
#12
but what drew you to the guards? It doesn't affect me as your not in my Reg recruiting area (not that this matters to be honest) but just interested?
 
#13
Contrary to what some assert, the brutal reality is that without "private means" you'll have a hard time keeping up with the lifestyle of the average Foot Guards officer. Don't believe a word of anyone who says otherwise.
 
#14
GRENADIER OFFICER, dont do it unless you want to blow your credibility, and your name is the Right honorable Tarquin worthington-smyhte- king of littlehampton and 3rd Baron of sussex.
to be serious, I served in the ranks and can count on the fingers of one hand the officers i respect. Nco's and ranks are top blokes though.
 
#15
Mazur_UK said:
When I asked a recruiter if Guards Regiments recruit in certain areas he said that they do and that the Gren's recruit in my area - Cambs
For what it is worth, in my opinion, soldier recruiting areas do not necessarily have a bearing on officer recruiting. If you look at the threads in the Officers forum they will give you some idea of what you should be thinking about when choosing a regiment.
 
#16
The advice to do Familiarisation visits is the best. Pick three regiments, including the Guards you are interested in and your County Infantry Regiment, in your case the Royal Anglians. Also pick another, perhaps a Corp, Royal Artillery? Each Regiment is different and in effect has its own culture. My advice is that you need to be looking for the Regiment that reflects your own values if you are to be happy in it. It is worth finding out how much all the uniform is going to cost and how much an average mess bill is in that Regiment. A Blues and Royals subaltern reckoned that he broke even at the three year point on what he had to spend to be in the Blues and Royals against his salary. The smarter the Regiment the more the uniform costs and with the Household Division you will be paying out of your own pocket above the Army uniform allowance.

Get about the Regiments and be realistic about who you are and your social background when picking a Regiment. Remember it's going to be your family and home for sometime!
 
#17
Definately agree with the last few posts. The Gren Guards might recruit OR's in cambridge, but the reality is that reading your original post it doesnt sound like the Guards mess would be your natural home. That is not to doubt that they are a friendly bunch of guys, but their are still certain prejudices and social barriers you might find uncomfortably. By all means go on a fam visit with this and other regiments and pick a unit you will fit in. It is very important as it will be your home. Look at the Royal Anglians as a good solid county regiment whose area is Cambridgeshire, or maybe also PWRR. There are the other side of London obviously but you should fit in the mess and understand the blokes accents. Compare and contrast the 3 messes and then decide who you want to sponsor you to Sandhurst. You can change once you are there too. The important thing is to get there. I'd recommend Royal Anglian to be honest from the sounds of things. You'll still get a decent champagne bill whatever mess you end up in, but if you dont have a private income from Daddy then it might be difficult to keep up socially in the Guards.
 
#18
The_Light_IT_Consultant said:
The advice to do Familiarisation visits is the best. Pick three regiments, including the Guards you are interested in and your County Infantry Regiment, in your case the Royal Anglians. Also pick another, perhaps a Corp, Royal Artillery? Each Regiment is different and in effect has its own culture. My advice is that you need to be looking for the Regiment that reflects your own values if you are to be happy in it. It is worth finding out how much all the uniform is going to cost and how much an average mess bill is in that Regiment. A Blues and Royals subaltern reckoned that he broke even at the three year point on what he had to spend to be in the Blues and Royals against his salary. The smarter the Regiment the more the uniform costs and with the Household Division you will be paying out of your own pocket above the Army uniform allowance.

Get about the Regiments and be realistic about who you are and your social background when picking a Regiment. Remember it's going to be your family and home for sometime!
/\ Yes, what he said /\ :D Started writing earlier and got distracted before posted....
 
#19
taggytwo said:
GRENADIER OFFICER, dont do it unless you want to blow your credibility, and your name is the Right honorable Tarquin worthington-smyhte- king of littlehampton and 3rd Baron of sussex.
to be serious, I served in the ranks and can count on the fingers of one hand the officers i respect. Nco's and ranks are top blokes though.
You mean you actually met one , more than one? I didn't meet any.
8) 8) 8)
 
#20
For a while I have been thinking about the following:

1 Royal Anglian (Soldier or Officer),
Gren Guards (Soldier or Officer),
Royal Artillery (as a 105 Gunner - Soldier),
1 RTR as went to a recruitment day at Bassingbourne recently and 1 RTR sounded like a solid bunch of lads (Soldier or Officer)

As you can tell i'm a kinda guy who likes to be active.

In answer to an ealier post I want to be in the Guards as I like the drill side and background. I am a SNCO in the ACF (although quite young) and have always enjoyed drill and teaching drill.

I can see all your points about me not being Baron Mazur tiddly-wangdoodle the 3rd of Cambridgeshire (Mazur isn't my real name by the way - so i'm not Polish :D )

Also thanks for answering my bills question, from what you have said and what I have researched I would have difficulty paying even basic mess bills (as my dad is more likely to lynch himself than give me an income, the only money i've had in my life so far i've worked for).

I only started of thinking about Officer when I got my last college report and have some decent grades (A*, A some B's. The rest C's and D's) I realised that I have the grades to go Officer but to be honest before that I had only ever thourght about joining the ranks.

Thanks for the input so far guys.

Would you recommend then that if I get my remaining grades that i should try for officer in a unit like R Anglian of PWRR or should i stick with what seems natural - the ranks?
 

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