Grounded SF Chinooks

#1
What happened to those 8 "special" Chinooks the RAF bought for "special" operations (inserting UKSF, combat SAR) that were so special that they could not fly in cloud or at night I heard?

Did they finally work it out and get them properly operational or are they just gathering dust somewhere?

And who puts up the bods if they have got to go and search for a downed pilot in Serbia or somewhere, is it the RAF regiment?! 8O
 
#4
CRmeansCeilingReached said:
have they ever actually done one for real? gen question.
Nope, JPR is yet untested at DSAR and CSAR level during deployments.

As for the rest of the JPR triangle.....sure someone on here knows. :wink:

In regards to the original question JPR at DSAR/CSAR level shared between the RAF Regiment and Royal Marines depending on the situation etc.
 
#6
Did the RAF get their uberspecial Chinooks flying like they should though?

I suppose the RM use Sea Kings from Ocean if they need to go after someone...
 
#7
Gook said:
Did the RAF get their uberspecial Chinooks flying like they should though?

I suppose the RM use Sea Kings from Ocean if they need to go after someone...

For SF recovery? No idea. For anything other they use Merlins or Puma's, dependant on the situation. They are however able to operate off chinooks.sea kings as well.
 
#8
Not knowing the history of these "elite" troops- how come when the "party" on ex "get lost in the hills" on Mt. Kinabalu were rescued by a Huey piloted by I think a the local team with a SAS medic .

I know it was a few years ago but the RAF did have rescue teams as far back as WWII . Even had their own boats F.F.S.

Is this yet another untried , unknown team of elite experts largeing it up?
 
#12
DPA are currently in the process of sorting out the Chinook HC3 debacle which must rank on a par with the Nimrod AEW in terms of procurement cock-ups. Last I heard, we hope to get the HC3 into service within a few years. As far as I'm concerned, we should have bought US spec MH-47Gs and the DPA guys responsible should be sacked.

It's no secret that 28 Sqn Merlin's hold the JPR/CR task. Accordingly, they've been procured with AAR probes (although we don't yet have a suitable tanker for the helos and would have to use USAF M/HC-130s) and the small Rockape/medic det included on 28 Sqns establishment. Whilst the 28 Sqn JPR capability evolves, one of the Jungly Sea King sqns is similarly tasked but the platform is not ideal for JPR and is basically a stop gap until hopefully the RN can get sufficient Merlins for the role.

Regards,
MM
 
#13
Found this in the wiki

"II Squadron is a parachute-trained Field Squadron which is capable of inserting by parachute and securing forward airfields, a capability that was utilized during the Sierra Leone operation of 2000."

Does this mean they jumped in or were delivered-by-other-means-but-we-want-to-sound-gucci?
 
#14
tearsbeforebedtime said:
Found this in the wiki

"II Squadron is a parachute-trained Field Squadron which is capable of inserting by parachute and securing forward airfields, a capability that was utilized during the Sierra Leone operation of 2000."

Does this mean they jumped in or were delivered-by-other-means-but-we-want-to-sound-gucci?
Wasnt this from the same tree of unconfirmed reports that jumped to Sierra Leone with 22 Reg? :roll:
 
#16
RAF Regt GPS Stops working beyond the airfield boundary, because they are out of their depth then!!!!! Why do they need to be para trained? is that just incase they are on leave and the airfield is taken by rag heads so they have to "drop back in"....Thats if there is any available Hercs...or worst still, lets hope Lyneham isnt taken by said ragheads.
 
#18
MM so when the 8 Chinooks get fixed and into service, 28 Sqn will revert to a normal Merlin sqn (ie transport of troops and stores around the battlefield, utility etc) and those 8 Chinooks will be tasked for special operations (inserting UKSF and JPR)?
Do those Chinooks have refuelling receivers and will they be able to refuel from our tankers or have to rely on the Americans once more?

Another thing I really do not understand about our Chinooks is apparently we use M60 MGs on them!

Regarding the RN, the only Merlins they have are pingers, so if they want to do JPR with Merlin they will have to get some of the version the RAF uses (can you fold the tailboom and put the rotors together to save space like you would in a hangar with your Merlins?). It'd be daft just to get a few of these for JPR (which may only be needed VERY occasionally) so are we looking at actually getting an all-Merlin fleet for Commando Helicopter force and dropping off booties from OCEAN etc? Would make more sense than just replacing the SAR Sea Kings with SAR Merlins, as these never embark and go to sea it appears, so why bother. Getting Merlin for RM transport would be miles better for CHF as well as getting this JPR online for the RN...
 
#19
OR...
If they want JPR capability from the sea then why not just embark RAF Chinooks (these specialised HC3 ones) on carriers/assault ships/Argus as needed? They do it with RAF Harriers, and with AAC Apaches...
 
#20
Gook said:
MM so when the 8 Chinooks get fixed and into service, 28 Sqn will revert to a normal Merlin sqn (ie transport of troops and stores around the battlefield, utility etc) and those 8 Chinooks will be tasked for special operations (inserting UKSF and JPR)?
Do those Chinooks have refuelling receivers and will they be able to refuel from our tankers or have to rely on the Americans once more?
28(AC) Sqn is the JPR Squadron, even if the Chinooks do come into serivce the JPR role will stay with the Merlin. The ground extraction force (GEF) is part of 28(AC) Sqn and are currently working up the role with the rest of the Squadron.

As for the refuelling probe and capability, the probe is fitted to a limited number of Merlin but it has not been trialled yet. The RAF would probably be able to use the C130K as a delivery platform or maybe Buddy Buddy system. The Chinook that the UK has does not have an AAR capability
 

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