Green mini-car to beat congestion

#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4930794.stm

A tiny, three-wheeled car that could help solve city congestion has been demonstrated at the University of Bath.

The prototype Clever (Compact Low Emission Vehicle for Urban Transport) car is one metre wide and less polluting than normal vehicles.

It has a top speed of 100 km/h (60mph) and uses a novel tilting chassis to make it safe and manoeuvrable.

The traffic-busting two-seater is the result of a 40-month project by researchers in nine European countries.

The three-year, £1.5m EU-funded research project aimed to produce a totally different class of private motor vehicle specifically designed for the urban environment.

"The only solutions at the moment are motorbikes or cars" said Ben Drew, a research officer at the University of Bath, one of the institutions involved in the project.
Not convinced . It'll have to get past the "4 wheels good , 3 wheels bad" brigade first.
 
#2
Every time they bring one of these "concept" cars out I always wonder what happens to them as you never seem to see the things for sale anywhere ever.

Still waiting for the European version of a decent electric car. One that can do 90Mph and go over 100 miles on one charge.

These cars have been made and they are available to buy but for some reason you can't get them in Europe.

I wonder if the fact that charging tax on the fuel for these is impossible has anything to do with it?
 
#3
These machines have been available for years, we call them trikes... check www.chrisireland.co.uk for over 20 years of trike building history. I admit that often he has used some of the largest and most polluting engines he can find, but also some smaller more ecenomical ones too.

(where this paragrpah uses the word 'often' please read 'wherever possible')
 
#4
The problem is that - as with the C5 et al - clever designers and environmentalists usually lack any "real world" common sense: an eco-friendly plastic trike might be handy for one person visiting the local pedestrian precinct or town centre, but it would fail miserably the first time you needed to pop up the M1 to visit your parents, or pick up some flat-pack furniture, or take the family to the seaside, etc. Millions of petrol/diesel cars exist for the very reason that they offer optimum speed, endurance, capacity, etc.
 
#5
while Ideal for the commute how many people can afford to run a car for commuting and a family car for the weekend
me I use a bicycle for communting and taking son to nursery but a car at the weekend although the wifelet use a car to commute half the ditance I cycle :(
 
#6
Anyone remember the Sinclair C5? :roll:

People do not want 'economy' over comfort/safety
 
#7
C5's available on Ebay :)

its true and has been stated already... a Car is multi purpose, This new trike thing will be a good idea if it costs peanuts to buy. if its as cheap as say a moped, i would buy one. because i could then afford to be Mr Green Mon-Fri and Mr Family on weekends

but as with all projects "ruined" by Europe - bet it costs as much as a Renault Clio and the insurance companies will hammer it too for some stupid reason thet they will make up.


Rincewind
 
#8
Make it very cheap people will buy it and use it ,but at a price of a couple of grand why not buy a small car which is more verstile
 
#9
There are quite a few electric cars in central London at the momment. But I don't see how they are so green when the elctricity that powers them has to be generated by the old fashioned way. Does anyone know if an electric car burn less fossil fuels than a petrol one if the electricity that powers it is generated at say, Didcott Power Satation?
 
#12
So i was wrong - its not the same as a Clio - more like a top of the Range SUV at 8MPG?

Dicks - cant get anything right

Rincewind
 
#13
Rincewind said:
C5's available on Ebay :)

its true and has been stated already... a Car is multi purpose, This new trike thing will be a good idea if it costs peanuts to buy. if its as cheap as say a moped, i would buy one. because i could then afford to be Mr Green Mon-Fri and Mr Family on weekends

but as with all projects "ruined" by Europe - bet it costs as much as a Renault Clio and the insurance companies will hammer it too for some stupid reason thet they will make up.


Rincewind
Yeah. Have you seen what they go for? You could pick one up for peanuts at one time, they seem to have acquired some kind of cult status nowadays.
 
#14
Lasalle said:
There are quite a few electric cars in central London at the momment. But I don't see how they are so green when the elctricity that powers them has to be generated by the old fashioned way. Does anyone know if an electric car burn less fossil fuels than a petrol one if the electricity that powers it is generated at say, Didcott Power Satation?
The electric car is probably less efficient, but the fosil fuels used to make the electricity are not burnt in the city centre. I think electric cars don't have to pay the congestion charge in London. Power stations have a ludicrously low overall efficiency. The cooling towers have to chuck away a lot of the heat generated into the atmosphere and there are transmission losses involved in moving the electricity. I think 30 or 35% is about typical.

Internal combustion engines are similarly inefficient, much of the heat is discarded through the radiator. If you can use the heat on-site (CHP machines) you can achieve 85 or 90%. Figures are from vague memories, so don't quote me.

The biggest problems with electric cars has usually been the batteries. A ton of lead acid batteries, which may last 3 or 4 years and are not very green in either lugging the extra weight around or in recycling the hazardous wastes from the acid and lead salts. Would you like to be sharing a vehicle with 25 litres of sulphuric acid or 25 litres of petrol in the event of a crash?
 
#16


Regardless of the CC exemption, no liquid fuel and fumes, would anyone consider placing their cheeks in it?! I think here's one example where three wheels beat four - (apart from price) Carver wins. Or blow the both of them and get a scooter.
 
#17
Commuting in the dark maybe ? if it cost same as a bicycle maybe ,but,no wouldnt pay hard earned cash for it .
 
#18
What about a nice Messerschmitt?

 
#19
Bubble car anyone? bond bug? fiat 127? all small and cheap
 
#20
brighton hippy said:
while Ideal for the commute how many people can afford to run a car for commuting and a family car for the weekend
me I use a bicycle for communting and taking son to nursery but a car at the weekend although the wifelet use a car to commute half the ditance I cycle :(
Look at every family in the UK that has at least 2 cars on the drive???
 

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