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Greater Manchester Police Farce

Man walks down the street and swears at a hundred people, what crimes do you record?
 

diverman

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Women rings police and states her husband has raped her tonight, she goes on to say that over the last 10 years he has GBH’d her numerous times, stolen from her, damaged her property and harassed her, also he pushed her around every day, amounting to common assault.

What crimes do you record?
How about starting with the most recent seriously alledged one and you state in this case rape, and work backwards, doen't take Sherlock Holmes to see a pattern here.
 
How about starting with the most recent seriously alledged one and you state in this case rape, and work backwards, doen't take Sherlock Holmes to see a pattern here.

You are getting the investigating and charging of offences mixed up with HOCRS. A basic error and one many make, you aren’t a cop so why would you know.

How many crimes would you record?
 
A person reports a crime to The Met, but it happened in Wiltshire, who is responsible for investigating the matter and who records the crime?
 
A person reports a crime of assault, there is no evidence to show it actually happened, do you record a crime?
 
Does reddening of the skin after a slap to the face, make it an ABH or a Common Assault.
 
Do you record a crime if it committed by someone under the age of criminal responsibility?
 

Gout Man

LE
Book Reviewer
A person reports a crime to The Met, but it happened in Wiltshire, who is responsible for investigating the matter and who records the crime?
Fecking Wiltshire. Met will report it and no crime it having given it a crime number, it will then get transferred to Wiltshire to deal with as they see fit.
Im not answering the others because the football is about to start.
 
An offender makes a counter allegation whilst being interviewed under caution against their victim, do you record the counter allegation as a crime?
 
Fecking Wiltshire.
Im not answering the others because the football is about to start.

Wiltshire investigate it and The Met initially record it and then carry out a crime transfer to Wiltshire.
 

Gout Man

LE
Book Reviewer

Gout Man

LE
Book Reviewer
An offender makes a counter allegation whilst being interviewed under caution against their victim, do you record the counter allegation as a crime?
Yes after you’ve dealt with the initial interview.
 
Yes after you’ve dealt with the initial interview.

You are an experienced ex cop.

Imagine a probationer who has been to 5 jobs that day, and has 5 complex logs, numerous statements and Body Worn Video footage of people disclosing things to them and his colleagues. He has a duty to trawl through all that material and identify all the crimes that must be recorded. Naturally due to time and lack of resources some might be missed be them.

A year later, the inspection team come in, who are experts at HOCRS but haven’t never been cops and no nothing about frontline policing. They trawl through all these logs and occurrences and locate a number of unrecorded crimes in the comfort of their office.

This isn’t a case of people being fucked off at the front desk or on the phone when they make a very simple disclosure. Although that may happen, but hardly at all in my experience.
 
It is odd (or probably not actually) that a serving officer is using straw-man tactics to condone repeated and consistent failure by civil-servants / government employees. The public expect that those appointed and trained to do particular jobs know what to do, and where they cannot comply with the job requirements, due to resource-issues or incompetence, that the causes are dealt with in order to get back on track. Is this unreasonable?

And by the way, he effectively didn't really 'resign' did he? In his situation he basically retired with no penalty. What were the colleagues at lower levels doing about the CC? Who put him in his position and maintained him there for years?
 
It is odd (or probably not actually) that a serving officer is using straw-man tactics to condone repeated and consistent failure by civil-servants / government employees. The public expect that those appointed and trained to do particular jobs know what to do, and where they cannot comply with the job requirements, due to resource-issues or incompetence, that the causes are dealt with in order to get back on track. Is this unreasonable?

And by the way, he effectively didn't really 'resign' did he? In his situation he basically retired with no penalty. What were the colleagues at lower levels doing about the CC? Who put him in his position and maintained him there for years?

If you aren’t interested in knowing why numerous Forces have over the last 10 years failed Crime Recording standards inspections, then scroll on by.

I’m not defending him, I’m adding context and saying that I’m glad that he did the right thing and resigned.

What penalty do you suggest? He is passed his pension date and fully within his rights to resign and take it. Like everyone else is.
 

diverman

LE
Book Reviewer
You are an experienced ex cop.

Imagine a probationer who has been to 5 jobs that day, and has 5 complex logs, numerous statements and Body Worn Video footage of people disclosing things to them and his colleagues. He has a duty to trawl through all that material and identify all the crimes that must be recorded. Naturally due to time and lack of resources some might be missed be them.

A year later, the inspection team come in, who are experts at HOCRS but haven’t never been cops and no nothing about frontline policing. They trawl through all these logs and occurrences and locate a number of unrecorded crimes in the comfort of their office.

This isn’t a case of people being fucked off at the front desk or on the phone when they make a very simple disclosure. Although that may happen, but hardly at all in my experience.
Probationer, then its down to his supervison and upwards as far as the chief con. You seem to be blaming not HOCRS not the deficient iOps system that was implemented under Hopkins tenure as the supposed experienced most senior officer in the force.
 
Probationer, then its down to his supervison and upwards as far as the chief con. You seem to be blaming not HOCRS not the deficient iOps system that was implemented under Hopkins tenure as the supposed experienced most senior officer in the force.

And he has accepted responsibility for the matter and resigned. I am adding context to the matter.

What’s your point?
 
If you aren’t interested in knowing why numerous Forces have over the last 10 years failed Crime Recording standards inspections, then scroll on by.

I’m not defending him, I’m adding context and saying that I’m glad that he did the right thing and resigned.

What penalty do you suggest? He is passed his pension date and fully within his rights to resign and take it. Like everyone else is.
Scroll back. What you were doing is shouting out a load of stuff from (one hopes) a training manual that no-one outside a current police force should know about, then suggesting because we don't know your job inside-out we should have no expectation of competency on the part of public-servants.

Do you think that someone taking their pension a year or so early is enough action to protect the public from the incompetence of that CC, and the entire management and selection structure that put him there, and maintained him there through years of censure?
 
Probationer, then its down to his supervison and upwards as far as the chief con. You seem to be blaming not HOCRS not the deficient iOps system that was implemented under Hopkins tenure as the supposed experienced most senior officer in the force.

Lets compare this to the current scandal, where possibly 400,000 records have been deleted from PNC by HO staff wrongly.

Who is responsible for that and what should that person do or have done to them?
 

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