Great Beaten?

According to the talking heads on TV here (the US), the British failure to hold Basra is the death knell that lost Iraq to the Iranians and rained on the great victory parade that we were supposed to be holding right about now. Comments by Brits' Gen. Sir Mike Jackson and Maj. Gen. Tim Cross don't seem to be helping either. We are afterall infallible and not akin to taking criticism lightly.

That is why this is the prevailing opinion among the general populance (an opinion that is supported by some of your own I might add.)

British forces have suffered a humiliating defeat in Iraq. The situation has progressively deteriorated. Britain has no control over the border with Iran. It has virtually withdrawn from Basra, other than the Palace, which is kept supplied by nightly suicide missions by disgusted squaddies. The police and army units trained and equipped by Britain are controlled by militias.

It seems , the surge was going picture-perfect until the Brits decided to turn tail.

Apparently, you guys are no better than than the Frogs.

What gives??
Hey don't shoot the messenger.


Iraq was a loser the second Bush decided to go in. As for us, Afghanistan is the effort we must focus on. We can't be expected to fight 2 different operations with an ever-decreasing budget, and a government that doesn't give a toss about the forces.

We are best off out of it, and as for the US moaning about us pulling out - we should never have done it in the first place, its only because bLiar was so far up Bush's arrse that we got hauled on board.
I like to think no British Soldier ever dies in Vain but im starting to have doubts about this whole "war on terror" specifically where the hell is the rest of NATO. At the moment id rather go with the Russians, at least they have bolluck.s.
Sorry but im having another go still angry. Maybe we would be "winning" if we didnt follow the Geneva Convention like the spams and slotted every person who looked at us funny. We would have won because everyone would be dead.
jabcrosshook said:
Doesn't it make you feel that all have died in vain?
No. Part of the job is to look out for your mates, no matter where you are or what conflict you're in. Soldiers died doing their job, which is far removed from the political circumstances that led to them being there.

It may be disappointing that an outcome isn't what everybody hoped for, but it doesn't detract from the efforts made by the soldiers.
Changed the title have we?

One word to respond to that: Vietnam.
Perhaps people are waking up to the futility of forcing democracy on a populace who will vote according to their Sheikh's wishes. Perhaps its the inevitability of a civil war whether we come out now or in ten years. Perhaps it takes a ruthless dictator like Saddam to get anything done in a nation of such dispatarate factions.
Give a choagy a vote and he will vote to sit on is arrse all day and mortar his neighbouring tribe all night - Id rather leave them to it now.
putteesinmyhands said:
Changed the title have we?

One word to respond to that: Vietnam.
Sorry I did change the title. Apparently the UK is now , Great Beaten, Northern High-land, The Isle of Woman and the Chanel No. 5 Islands.

Not to mention Scootland and Whales.

Again, don't shoot the messenger. I am just an echo of what is being said here.
Do you really think we will be out any time soon. Its just our trustworthy politicians making the "right" noises before an election. He doesnt mean the troops are coming out of iraq - just the money. :x
It was lost the moment the ground war supposedly finished, and it became apparent the chimp hadn’t done a plan for occupation, apart from sharing out the so-called rebuilding contracts to supporters back home.

Who ever thought up the great idea of disbanding the Iraq Regular Army and the Political infrastructure lost the war..... Thousands of pissed off now ex squaddies sent home with no pay, no control and nothing else to do apart from earning some folding from Iran....

Far better to have kept them on the payroll and in barracks, at least you can keep an eye on them there and it reduces the loss of face for them too. Plus you have a ready made work force for the re-building....

The re-building contracts should have been kept in country as well where possible, again helps prevent loss of face to what are basically a very proud people.

Don’t blame the poor squaddie on the ground, it's the politicians who deserve the blame, on both sides of the pond and for us Brits one in particular who kept funding back etc and we all know who that is don’t we....
Your troops will leave in exactly the same way...just as they did from Vietnam.

Perhaps your press and populace should focus their criticisms on so called allies that provided you with no help at all.

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