Graphics card decision

I'm not 13 so my PC is not full of RGB lighting.

I quite like it.

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What does everyone do with their PC at night? With mega graphics cards, masses of fans, LED lights etc. do people leave their PC on all the time or do you shut it down?
Turn it off - prone to power cuts where I am and it really doesn't like it if that happens while it's on - I usually have to try and get into the bios page at the start up and check everything is fine from there - won't boot otherwise if not shut down properly.

Everything runs on SSDs now so it boots in seconds anyway.
 

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Avoid the 3060, even when it's available. It's a chopped down version that doesn't really justify its price tag. Go for the 3060ti, or 3070. The 20xx series are a bit of a mis-step from Nvidia and the 30xx cards are more powerful for less money.
 
I don’t think you need a 3090x at the moment unless your are playing VR, obviously it’s a personal choice anyway but not sure what you will get.

What resolution are you playing in if not VR?
 

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Really? I'd have thought any liquid cooling would have been a significant improvement over just fans. I suppose that while the temperatures get quite high the components heating up are fairly small so the total heat energy needing to be removed isn't a huge amount.

I occasionally wonder how feasible it would be to have a case filled with oil. Components mounted near the bottom, large radiators and a couple of fans at the top and cool using convection currents. Then I realise it would be horrendously messy and expensive for something that wouldn't work any better than current methods.

Trawl the Mining community boards and you will see some of those building DIY mining rigs in domestic premises and garages did exactly that, immersed whole shebang in tanks filled with suitable fluid with pumps to circulate to banks of automotive radiators and fans outside. Desperate stuff but they tended to live in warmer spots

Numbers resorted to increasingly desperate and lashed up ventilation systems for, as many keen wannabe rich quick miners discovered, when you get even a modest rig with 15 GPU's on risers sitting atop 3 motherboards each with own power supply crunching away 24/7, the thermal output means you tend to properly understand why large scale miners like to locate near to cheap hydro and geothermal power sources somewhere very chilly.
 
I'm not 13 so my PC is not full of RGB lighting.
Agree with you but I'm guessing you haven't replaced anything for a while. I just completely rebuilt my PC and even the non RGB versions of bits come with RGB built in. Graphics card has the manufacturers name/logo as RGB, motherboard has RGB near the CPU, colours showing how hot it is, Logitech mouse has an RGB G on it, case has white LED background fans on the front and a clear side panel, Logitech keyboard is full RGB (can be useful as the individual keys can be programmed in any colour you like so it can pick out different keys for different games), monitor I'm about to order (Samsung) has 2 RGB lights on it (although I think they'll be too low for me to see). The only recent purchase without RGB is the Logitech Z407 speakers.
 
Agree with you but I'm guessing you haven't replaced anything for a while. I just completely rebuilt my PC and even the non RGB versions of bits come with RGB built in. Graphics card has the manufacturers name/logo as RGB, motherboard has RGB near the CPU, colours showing how hot it is, Logitech mouse has an RGB G on it, case has white LED background fans on the front and a clear side panel, Logitech keyboard is full RGB (can be useful as the individual keys can be programmed in any colour you like so it can pick out different keys for different games), monitor I'm about to order (Samsung) has 2 RGB lights on it (although I think they'll be too low for me to see). The only recent purchase without RGB is the Logitech Z407 speakers.
Both my keyboard and mouse have lighting. The keyboard is useful (when set to a sensible mode), the mouse less so.

Sticking RGB fans and RAM etc. etc? No chance. Don't buy it, or don't plug it in, or turn the bloody function off.

Current PC has just had it's 4th birthday.
 
If you're in the market, a brand new system from somewhere like PC specialist means you can get a 3060 just fine. As they've got a stock, but at most are only going to put two cards in a build, so there's no supply issues there. Plus they'll only charge you retail price.

It's how I got my new PC.
I use a "desktop replacement" Alienware Area 51m.

I tuned the settings a bit and am getting 60fps on 1920
Not a dilemma - trade it in.
Not an expert but will the lower end CPU compared the 10900k have an impact on the performance?
 

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I use a "desktop replacement" Alienware Area 51m.

I tuned the settings a bit and am getting 60fps on 1920

Not an expert but will the lower end CPU compared the 10900k have an impact on the performance?

The CPU won't matter overly much, as long as it isn't something stupid like an i3, but you should see impressive gains with the uprated graphics card.
 

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it's feasible, and it looks great, but the second you have to swap anything out or want to upgrade it's a total ballache.

- air cooling vs liquid cooling

- oil cooled pc maintenance

All In One liquid cooling systems have another joy to offer:


They have a finite life in terms of pump but also the coolant. Can drain and refil but whist thst is easy enough with an open loop a real PITA with an AIO.

Can end up with sludging inside the heat transfer block and pretty sure that is that is causing No.2 son's gaming rig to throttle and suffer BSOD
 
Really? I'd have thought any liquid cooling would have been a significant improvement over just fans. I suppose that while the temperatures get quite high the components heating up are fairly small so the total heat energy needing to be removed isn't a huge amount.

I occasionally wonder how feasible it would be to have a case filled with oil. Components mounted near the bottom, large radiators and a couple of fans at the top and cool using convection currents. Then I realise it would be horrendously messy and expensive for something that wouldn't work any better than current methods.
 
The graphics card in my first PC was made by a company called Matrox (a Millennium, I think). It was probably an old ISA bus card. It was very high spec for the time but would be considered laughably feeble by today's standards.

They were a very popular name but disappeared from the mass market as gaming became popular. I'm surprised to see that the company is still producing graphics cards but for the specialist business market.
Big in broadcast are Matrox
 
The CPU won't matter overly much, as long as it isn't something stupid like an i3, but you should see impressive gains with the uprated graphics card.
I was playing COD last night, after some Joe on another website suggested disabling ray tracing... after that I was just about getting 60 fps on 3840 res at the highest settings, mind you I run an RTX 2080 Super off the Alienware.

@AsterixTG did suggest a large improvement with another series up perhaps an RTX 3080 (possible with an Alienware Amp), I'm guessing my CPU won't contribute much as I was naive in thinking that overclocking the CPU would make much difference... f**k all.

Ray Tracing it seems is an Nvidia feature to make games look pretty and as i understand its still quite a recent thing.

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