Graduates told to take bar work while they look for jobs

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  1. With advisors like this, I really pity these youngsters. Is this all the Association of Graduate Recruiters can come up with?? Imagination free zone.

    GRADUATES face a desperate struggle for good jobs as employers cut back for the first time in years.

    University-leavers should be prepared to stack shelves or work behind a bar as the recession bites, according to the Association of Graduate Recruiters.

    Many of this year's graduates will be in for "a shock" because they have grown up in an affluent society believing that good jobs "fall from trees", the organisation said.

    The forecast comes as the latest unemployment figures show that 18 to 24-year-olds are already faring worse than any other age group. And graduates are forecast to leave university this year on average £21,500 in debt.

    The association, which represents 600 leading graduate employers, is analysing responses to its winter recruitment survey.

    Chief executive Carl Gilleard said: "It will be the first time in six years that the trend is downwards."

    He added that final-year students must be prepared to be flexible and that a good degree on its own is no longer enough - graduates now need to make themselves as attractive as possible by emphasising work experience and life skills.

    "Perhaps as a result of years of growth, we have become a little complacent and think graduate jobs fall from trees," Mr Gilleard said. "They don't. And they certainly won't this year.

    "It has been a little bit too easy in recent years and comes as a bit of a shock. Graduates sometimes don't really understand that it's a competition. I think it's something to do with the affluent society that Generation Y has grown up in."

    Mr Gilleard said university-leavers should make the most of any job they can get. "Even if you're just stacking shelves or working behind a bar, you are gaining experience," he said.

    He added that a university education is still a good investment but that some people will question this in the light of the downturn in graduate jobs.

    "There will be a challenge for universities and maybe for the Government to convince next year's 17-year-olds that it's worth going," he said.

    National Union of Students president Wes Streeting said the figures "will make worrying reading for students and their families preparing for graduation in 2009".

    But Higher Education Minister David Lammy said employers still valued graduates' skills. "Having a degree remains one of the best pathways to a rewarding career," he said.

    The figures coincide with news that investment banks have generally narrowed the universities they recruit from down to a small group including Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial College, London, while only a few were recruiting from the London School of Economics or University College London.

    Gordon Chesterman, director of Cambridge University Careers Service, said banks' recruitment of students was about 50 per cent down on last year.
  2. Working in a bar after university? What a novel and unusual idea.

    When I left university in the nineties there were no advisors of this calibre so I just took a bar job. If these geniuses had been around I might have done something more worthwhile, like working in a bar.

    Non story.
  3. Why the fuck shouldn't they work in a bar.....Just because they have degrees, doesn't entitle them to have the best jobs.

    If they dont like bar work, well the Army is always an option.
  4. Complete non-story.......a real story would be about the displaced ozzy barstaff in London!
  5. Auld-Yin

    Auld-Yin LE Reviewer Book Reviewer Reviews Editor

    What's your problem Hooch? Just 'cos they have recently obtained a degree they should not roll up their sleeves and do a days work?

    Do you mean that, as holders of said degree, the country should fund them at about £26k until they find a job that suits them.
  6. Outrageous idea - I trust these bar jobs start at £30k + ?
  7. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

    Oh bar work, as in; "in a bar" and not "at the bar".....

    They'll have the opportunity to develop appropriate interpersonal, and other work skills. Such as listening to others instead of hoiking their ill informed opinions upon the rest of the world.

    I suppose they could tell their parents that they're training to be baristas :D
  8. Got no problem with Grads doing this type of job, it has been too good for too long. I recall a "summer intern" at a place I used to work, when we told him he would not get a grad position, he broke into tears - seems it was the first time anyone had failed him at anything.

    To me this just seems lazy, what about the other opportunities to build skills, receive workforce relevant training and experience.

    I graduated into a recession and took a sh@t job with a charlaton, but I got some experience.

    What about the Army? or even the TA Commisioning Course. What better for an employer to have someone who has passed a 3 day AOSB process and then 90 days of leadership and management trg?

    Or even join as a Tom and put in a tour.

    Who would you employ - the bloke selling skiddies in Selfridges or the bloke who has learnt something about himself and others on an Op tour?

    The other thing I think this says is, should we question the received wisdom that a degree is always necessary. In my industry, I have noticed that jobs that were done perfectly well by non graduates, no have to be filled by grads. What we have done is just delayed their working life and opportunity to start earning.
  9. My son graduated 2 years ago and took voluntary redundancy in August (totally against my advice). He has just got back into work, on the minimum wage, and is dead chuffed.
  10. Oh come on, this isn't an outrage, it's called reality. The dirty little secret that the Government and education establishments keep quiet about is that the expansion in graduates has not been matched by an increase in jobs paying what used to be called the "graduate premium". Most of these graduates are never going to get any increase in salary as a result of getting a degree. What has happened is that the job they used to get at 18 with a couple of A-levels now requires a degree with the associated tens of k debt.

    Premium jobs do still exist of course, and are filled from traditional universities that attract the traditional top 5% of candidates. Because if you're not in that top 5% you're never going to pass the exams. Employers cheerfully discrimate on the basis of university and degree.

    So the net result is to reduce social mobility. The rich pay for their kids, the savvy aim their kids at the right degrees, and the poor look at the debt required and think "no thanks". New Labour in action.
  11. The thing about graduates in recent years is that they have huge debts to get rid of. Not just the repayment of student loans (I know that repayment of them waits until a decent wage is being earned but who wants that amount of debt hanging about) but maxed out credit cards etc.

    Who would want to be servicing £20,000 plus by working in a bar?
  12. I don't see the problem with this, as it's always easier to get a job if you've got a job. Most of my friends who graduated planned to get menial jobs for the first year anyway. Then either use the money to fund a postgraduate degree or travel to gain some additional life experience before attempting to get a foot on the graduate career ladder.
  13. Presumably the same intellectual pygmies that deluded themselves that they were fit for university and concurrently took on debt to achieve a worthless degree.

    Edited due to my inability to use the 'quote' function correctly.
  14. When I left university with a good degree in education studies and science decided before doing my post grad to go out and actually live in reality before getting a teaching job. Looked for jobs and found that even bar jobs wouldnt take me as I had no previous experience and I wasnt female.

    Although before doing that I tried to join the Navy as a warfare officer and got told that because I dont hold A levels which they consider relervent I couldnt join until I went away and got some. Despite having a degree, no matter how many of you say degrees are easy they are a bloody sight harder then an a level. The army told me the same thing when I applied to them.

    The problem with being a graduate is that there are so many who have done worthwhile, and very specialised degrees. They graduate and then find that because there is so little industry out there, that having higher qualifications is acutally a hinderance rather then an advantage. Employers now that a graduate wont want to stay in that job for very long afterall you dont do a degree to work in a bar, or to be a cleaner, well most dont. They do their degrees to get into the jobs they want to do because this bloody government say that there are jobs.

    My current state is after not being able to find even bar work due to not having experience, I ended up back at university training to be a physics teacher (I originally trained in biology).

    I apologise for my poor grammar and structure im a scientist not an English language graduate.
  15. Well they're retards for getting into so much debt - course fees, fair enough, but personal spending is optional and something which has seemed to have spiralled out of control as they each decide that if the other person can afford it, they can. :roll: I didn't live as a skank-bag at university, but neither did I swan around as if I were on pop-star wages. Many who had graduated in the past 5 years have been in need of a reality check and if they think they're too grand to get their hands dirty now and still think that the world owes them a living, they're in for a shock.

    I have seen and employed some very good and down-to-earth graduates over the past few years and I appreciate that the City attracts egotistical knobbers, but the expectations of some of the graduates I've interviewed over the years has astounded me!