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Government ends War on Terror

Nehustan

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#2
"because we can’t win by military means alone, and because this isn’t us against one organised enemy with a clear identity and a coherent set of objectives."

The expression 20/20 hindsight springs to mind. Perhaps they should have pondered this in 2001? I seem to recall people advising more subtle approaches, or did I just have a mind flip?
 
#6
Sadly, Mr Benn has played his part in a failed foreign policy and although it may suit the government spinmeisters, there is now a generation of young men and women around the globe, many of whom have aligned themselves to fight in this war on terror. Possibly Mr Benn could inform them that the war is now officially over.
 
#7
Nehustan said:
The expression 20/20 hindsight springs to mind. Perhaps they should have pondered this in 2001? I seem to recall people advising more subtle approaches, or did I just have a mind flip?
Chances of goverment being wrong? Clearly that would not be the case!Therefore! You must have had a mind flip, no worries however though as many of us here clearly also had mind flips also!
 
#12
Alright, "because we can’t win by military means alone". I can agree with that. I just hope this doesn't lead to the "ask the man nicely to stop burning that school and drop the AK-47, I'm sure he'll be be a good boy and stop hurting people" approach.
 
#15
iamaviking said:
if its over who won ?
Due to political correctness we're unable to publish details of winners and losers due to the possibility of causing offence to those who may have under performed, suffice to say both side came out of this with heads held high and throughly enjoyed the game.

I'm sure you'll agree it's the taking part that counts.
 

Nehustan

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#16
Chief_Joseph said:
Alright, "because we can’t win by military means alone". I can agree with that. I just hope this doesn't lead to the "ask the man nicely to stop burning that school and drop the AK-47, I'm sure he'll be be a good boy and stop hurting people" approach.
Right, short but slightly inflammatory post inbound, certainly not intended as a flame CJ. There are plenty of radical groups that don't want to blow things up. While the west on the one hand says it wants 'democratisation', it wants it on its own terms. Case at hand the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, or the FIS in Algeria in the 1992 election.

I think that both Egypt and Algeria have a secular constitution which state something along the lines of no parties based on religion. This is precisely the point. Take Algeria, there were two main school of thoughts in the FIS one salafi, the other described as Jaza'irs. The second had become the majority by 1992 and would have been the party to take power. Instead, well we have a decade of trouble and the 'jihadists' are empowered by the lack of democracy, when its not the right kind of democracy.

Then there's Hamas, and again the wrong kind of democracy; it has to be secular and pro western, despite the West fiddling with the region for at least a hundred years. Actually the best people at combatting radicals ARE radicals. The fact that there seems to be a rather large NO to Islamic government at any cost, gives strength to the Jihadist arm, and creates the continuation of insurgent action in the Levant, and almost certainly in the West also.

To my mind this is a battle the west cannot win, it is one that has to played out internally, and currently and in recent history the west is doing naught but strengthening the Jihadist's arguments.
 

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