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Good luck Salonika Company

#7
Good luck SALONIKA Company - it's going to be tough to follow SOMME Company (esp. its OC!) - but all in the LONDONS are sure you will do well. (Extra good luck to those ex-LONDONS from F&G Coys)
 
#12
ugly said:
Poor choice of name for a composite company, typical disasterous expedetionary forces: Salonika
I hope they have more luck than their namesakes! :?
Ug, I think you're slightly missing the point. The battle honour was selected because:
1. All bar about one of the antecedent Regiments which went to form the Rifles fought there
2. It's significance relates to the courage and tenacity of the men who fought there, not necessarily the outcome.
3. 7 RIFLES were able to visit Macedonia and the site of the Doiran battles in June this year. Few remained unmoved by that visit — particularly when they saw the ground over which the battles were fought.

Do you think Somme Company were badly named too?
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#13
No at least we allegedly killed more Germans than UK troops at the somme eventually!
The Salonika c ampaign was the ultimate sideshow, ergo a poor choice despite it being a battle honour, it remains in living history as one of the dreadful campaigns that was too little too late. I too wish them luck, I'd rather all composite companies were called Vimy or messines rather than Arnhem etc!
 
#14
ugly said:
No at least we allegedly killed more Germans than UK troops at the somme eventually!
The Salonika c ampaign was the ultimate sideshow, ergo a poor choice despite it being a battle honour, it remains in living history as one of the dreadful campaigns that was too little too late. I too wish them luck, I'd rather all composite companies were called Vimy or messines rather than Arnhem etc!
That is a rather simplistic view of a much misunderstood campaign. Battlefield failures were a feature of most actions during the Great War and few campaigns emerged with a spotless reputation.

If General Milne's modest requests for 8-in howitzers (the most suitable weapon for destroying the concrete-encased Bulgarian artillery) were answered in 1916, the Bulgarian line could have been broken. Once through that line, the lines of communication between Germany and Turkey would have been severed (as they were in 1918) and the collapse of the Central Powers hastened. As it was, the mere presence of the Salonika Force made the Germans think twice about sending large contingents through what was effectively a bottleneck.

However, judging by your previous posts, you probably won't give that argument any credibility since it doesn't involve lots of dead Hermanns but you might perhaps consider this before condemning the name out of hand. Had the Salonika Force not been there, Bulgaria would have overrun Greece (with a large degree of cooperation from within) in a matter of days. They would then have commanded numerous submarine bases from which to dominate the Eastern Med and therefore the Suez Canal. Once that had been closed, all Allied shipping would have been forced round the Cape of Good Hope thus placing a critical strain on Allied shipping. The coastlines of our remaining Mediterranean Allies — especially Italy — could equally have been threatened at a time when morale was extremely low with potentially disastrous results.

All that aside, I believe that the name was reasonably well received by the Coy...which is perhaps more than can be said for the lego castle badge they are now sporting!

Good luck Salonika Coy.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#15
Actually well done for spotting most of the reasons for sending the force there, the reason it stayed was lack of transport thanks mainly to the Dardanelles however their prescence did more to stop the greeks joining the axis powers than anything else. They won but didnt we all in the end. Yes somme could have been done better but who was writing school reports on Haig etc in 1915/16!
It did however arrive too late to win the high ground, (heard that before) and sacrifice that were made could have been avoided!
I'd like to think we have better generals and I beleive that we do have better Bn Cdrs!
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#18
tangosix said:
Hello,

I hope Salonika company come home safely.
Just out of interest,does anyone have a Megiddo company?

tangosix.
I think these are named specially as composite companies for certain tours ergo you may have complete sections from some Bns or coys but they will work as a complete coy for a deployed Battle Group, either force protection or depending upon the BG and the coy cmdr they may get some more usual infantry work.
On my first tour in 83 we had 2 plns of KOSB regular volunteers assisting. They trained with us at NITAT and deployed from BAOR. Few of them actually worked together and most were single lads who had yet to get a tour in or had only just missed the last tour. They had battle honour names, yet dropped into our orbat pretty seamlessly. We also ended up with 2 plns from the Bde Reserve as the TAOR for our coy was almost half the Bn TAOR from the 78 tour. Number crunching and hiding true deployment figures.
That said Good Luck lads!!!!!
 
#19
Slighty off topic, I was present at the battlefield "tour" which consisted of a 4hr round trip and a 2k hike up the to be lectured for about 1.5 hrs in 40 degrees of heat whilst standing up. I was not impressed.
In any event the Bulgarians commanded all the high ground and the area in front of the line was criss crossed with deep ravines which were covered by machine guns and repeated attacks failed. That said it proved a strategic success as mentioned in stickybombs post.

Back on thread - good luck Salonika Coy you'll need it!!
 
#20
Best of luck and come home safely.

Which TA Bn is sending the company out, looked up the Battle honour and it sems to be New Army Divisions with some South Welsh/Londons/Middlesex Territorial Bns
 

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