Gods Army and Irans Grand Strategy

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#3
They seem quite inexpensive to run........I wonder if Tony Blair is trying to model us on them?
 
#4
It's a shame that Iranians aren't actually arabs then isn't it? One of the reasons they are disliked by many nations in the middle east is that they are Persian, not arab, so that chances of them actaully getting the other middle east nations to play ball are slim. Why do you think that the other ME countries allowed Iraq to battle them for so long? They may be a muslem nation, but since when has that stopped any tribes and other factions battling each other in that area?
 
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jonwilly said:
It has been suggested that the Iraqi leadership is touring Europe then off to the states suggesting a three state Iraq.
The Kurds will be happy the Shites will be happy to join with Iran and the Sunneis will get somewhere for themselves.
john
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1193108.ece
Nice one King George
Touring Europe? Stand by for the asylum claims.. On a lighter note, no way are the Turks the Syrians or the Iranians going to be happy about any kind of autonomy for a Kurdish region, federated or otherwise. Who is going to take the Turks on if they go south after the PKK?
 
#8
Last sentence of the last paragraph:-

Sunday Times Review said:
The real issue is who will set the agenda for the Middle East: Iran or America?
The US has been setting the agenda in the Near and Middle East for quite some time now - but are they winning or losing the battle? That's a more interesting question.

Iran will NEVER lead the Arab world, for the very reasons already clearly identified: Arabs will NEVER accept Persian leadership, the fact that they are also Shia makes it even more improbable. It would be accurate to say that Iran is looking to rally Arab support in a common struggle against Pax Americana, but that is a totally different proposition to the idea that Iran is trying to be the regional hegemon.

However, while all this talk is going on about the 'evils' of the Iranian regime, is America now taking it's eye off the ball? We have been lead to believe that global terrorism - sponsored by al-Qaida - is the enemy. Who is it that struck the Twin Towers? Who is it that attacked the USN Cole and so on? Has that threat gone? I think not. Unlike al-Qaida which has no infrastructure, Iran is a state that can easily be targetted with visible, tangeable results - just like Lebanon!
 
#9
While we think that the arabs wont take to Iranian leadership, Iran's leadership hasnt been disabused of the notion. Maybe the crisis in Lebabon may dissuade them but somehow I dont think they will give up.
 
#10
tomahawk6 said:
While we think that the arabs wont take to Iranian leadership, Iran's leadership hasnt been disabused of the notion.
Proof please that they even have this notion.

I think you'll find that the Iranians are under no illusion whatsoever when it comes to their inability to 'lead' the Arab world. However, it suits them very nicely all the time that people like you continue to bark up the wrong tree. I'll think you'll find their strategy (whatever it may be) is far more modest and closer to home.

tomahawk6 said:
Maybe the crisis in Lebabon may dissuade them but somehow I dont think they will give up.
Until you actually can 'prove' that they are actually involved in the current crisis, it seems a little pathetic to be contemplating the possibility of them "giving up". Have you found anything to back up you fantasy claim that Hezbollah are really IRG in civvies?
 
#11
Good article that I think will improve one's understanding of the problem posed by Iran.

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10128

"The Arab nations are frightened of Iran. The light is dawning in the minds of the Arab despots that Iran is a more immediate threat to them than to us. And they are right, in a sense. Like Churchill said of earlier appeasers, the Saudis are feeding the crocodile hoping it will eat them last."
 
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tomahawk6 said:
Good article that I think will improve one's understanding of the problem posed by Iran.

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10128

"The Arab nations are frightened of Iran. The light is dawning in the minds of the Arab despots that Iran is a more immediate threat to them than to us. And they are right, in a sense. Like Churchill said of earlier appeasers, the Saudis are feeding the crocodile hoping it will eat them last."
Ahhh yes Larry, another of your (in)famously un-haha-biased writers:-

Jed Babbin
TAS contributing editor Jed Babbin served as a deputy undersecretary of defense in the George H.W. Bush administration. He writes the "Loose Canons" column for TAS Online and often appears as a talking warhead on television and radio. He is the author of Inside the Asylum: Why the UN and Old Europe are Worse Than You Think.

Here: http://www.spectator.org/dsp_author.asp?author_id=11
You know Larry, if you continue to read from a select closed-loop bibliography you're bound to hear the things you want.

The GOP collective marches on.
 
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tomahawk6 said:
Merky when will you learn that the GOP Collective is Right and everyone else is Left. :D
Becauase dear chap, the GOP are actually left when it comes to foreign policy and you're too blind to see it.
 
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tomahawk6 said:
Good article that I think will improve one's understanding of the problem posed by Iran.

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10128

"The Arab nations are frightened of Iran. The light is dawning in the minds of the Arab despots that Iran is a more immediate threat to them than to us. And they are right, in a sense. Like Churchill said of earlier appeasers, the Saudis are feeding the crocodile hoping it will eat them last."
Let's have a quick look at a few of the article's points:

Just a few months ago, Iran's "Great Prophet" war games... proved Iranian naval forces could close the Strait of Hormuz (through which most of the West's non-Iranian oil flows) for some time.

How much time? What's going to happen to the Iranian navy during this time?


When Russia completes delivery to Iran of the thirty copies of its TOR M-1 antiaircraft missile system later this year, no nation that lacks stealth aircraft will be able to do much to Iran


So the Russians are so clever that with a single missile system they have rendered non-stealth aircraft obsolete?

The Hizballah attack on Israel has resulted in an Israeli response that is both highly destructive and far from conclusive

Part of the article that a lot of ARRSErs will agree with.

The Saudis should be told that if they decline to send troops and aircraft to enforce a Lebanese buffer zone against Hizballah... we will guarantee nothing but our own access to their oil, regardless of who reigns in Riyadh, Cairo or Amman.

So you're going to say to the Saudis, 'If Iran invades you, we won't help you. However, if the invasion prevents us from buying your oil, then we will take steps to combat this', steps which would surely, errm, help the Saudis? And what have the govts of Egypt or Jordan got to do with Saudi oil?

If this article is typical, then please excuse me if I decline the invitation to subscribe to the American Spectator.
 
#16
tomahawk6 said:
Thoughtful article that spells out Iran's strategy to dominate/led the arab world. In light of this move by Iran to focus the arab world on Israel it becomes imperative for Israel to defang Hizbollah at all costs.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-2281184_1,00.html
A good history of Hezbollah - but actually a good example of how Irans strategy has so far failed. Only in Lebanon has Hezbollah become a mojor force. Iran lead the Arab world ?? You might as well suggest that the franco-phone nations will rally to Americas side. The Iranians are NOT Arabs. they are Persians, Shia'a Persians at that. Sunni Arabs will have nothing to do with them.
 
#17
tomahawk6 said:
Good article that I think will improve one's understanding of the problem posed by Iran.
The problem posed by Iran is that the US cannot get over being beaten by them. The US imposed the Shah, kept him in power and then got on the wrong end the rightful wrath of the people. It is your own fault that the extremists ended up in power.

You lost America. Get over it and grow up. Learn to live with one of the oldest civilisations on Earth.
 
#18
The Extreamist regime in Iran has its own internal problems running the cuntry, so stoking up the fantasis of the downtrodden masses helps keep the religous fanatics in power.
Oh they could close the Persian Gulf for a while but so soon no Navy, or shore batteries.
And what ya Israli is doing in Lebanon would be mild compared with what King George's boys could do in Iran.
john
Mean Georgei boy just has ta keep oil up, has he not.
 
#19

When Russia completes delivery to Iran of the thirty copies of its TOR M-1 antiaircraft missile system later this year, no nation that lacks stealth aircraft will be able to do much to Iran
TOR M-1 is a good system ... for a battlefield. It is mobile, easy to hide but with limited range. Iranians would need it mainly to guard another anti-aircraft system S-300. Would Russia sell it to Iran? Who knowns?
 

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