Global Warming is a lie ?.

Is global warming a myth


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armadillo

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#1
I suspect playing devils advocate that global warming is a convenient untruth, propagated by greedy corporations, propagated by neo luddites and greedy tax men.

Looked around on the net and discovered there is some conjuncture as to wether global warming is caused by man.

I think that pollution is bad
I think recyclying is a good idea but also uneconomic
Carbon emissions dont frighten me as we are carbon based lifeforms in a carbon organic eco system.

I have discovered we have neared the end of an ice age so it is getting warm, but my real concern is that green organisations are sexing up scientific reports to gain there own political world view. Politicians are and have fallen for the green propaganda and are seizing on it.

New cars are more environmentally friendly than the cars of twenty years ago, a toyota prius emissions nearly match my four year old car.
CFCs are banned fantastic, I love organic foods, respect the whale and recycle when I can. I walk more than ever and never litter and support wildlife centres.

I am just worried that the the ECO left wing have overtaken on peoples concerns about sea levels and warming. Sea levels fluctuate like all things in nature and the sea level in the fens has risen and dropped nearly fifteen times in the last 4000 years.

Have we become victims of our own fears?
 
#2
Note to the septics:
More CO2 is emitted in the production of a new car than it will ever emit in it's lifetime. Yanks who buy a new car every 2-3 years because they think it's more 'economical' are misguided saps blinded by car adds.

Industry emits the vast majority of CO2, so why are they planning to tax the cr@p out of domestic emitters in the UK? Because if they didn't, industry would have to recoup the expense and pass it on to the consumers, then we'd all be up in arms that everything costs so damn much.
 
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armadillo

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#3
Cheers Milsum someone who thinks along the same lines,

Armadillo

Green and keen but have no permission for the taxman to recycle the paper in my wallet.
 
#4
Im sick and tired of this environmental BS.

If the Earth really is warming up then theres bog all humans can do to stop it, anymore than we can stop earthquakes or volcanoes or tornados.

Even we all chose to live in caves we wouldnt alter the Earth's temperature by even 1% so why even bother trying?

In the meantime im still going to keep driving and enjoying air travel regardless of what this govt does.

All this green bollox is just another pretext to get more hard-earned cash from our pockets.

Besides we humans are here to use the earth as we see fit.

I couldnt give a flying fig about the state of the Earth by the time I depart it.

Thats for future generations to resolve, if im not around it aint my problem and I couldnt give a stuff.
 
#5
armadillo said:
I think recyclying is a good idea but also uneconomic
Just picking on the one point for now.

Why uneconomic? Glass drink bottles are recycled some 40 odd times before being broken up to make new bottles. This means a saving of 93% of the cost of making new bottles. something like 90% less bottles actually made, and making new bottles from broken up old ones is also cheaper and more efficent than making them from sand.

If it works for glass then why not for other substances?
 
#6
All very well Taz, but whether or not you think it a load of rubbish the govt will implement legislation that will affect the car you drive, where you drive it and how much both cost, how you heat your house, the price of your next washing machine/fridge, the cost of air travel (and being a small-arrse island it's something we can't really avoid) and general cost of living for you and your family. Look what they're doing to drinking alcohol in this country? It'll be curfews next. Oh, there already are. Oops.

I love living in the UK.
 
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armadillo

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#7
You have to sort the glass, manpower vehicle logistics
You have to wash the Glass, remove oils or harmful substances
You have to remove the labels
you have grade the glass by colour and glass type
you have smelt the glass removing the slag
you then have to purify the glass with stabilisers and emulsifiers
you have to cool the glass
you have to store, move and ship the glass

All the above require polluting vehicles, all the stages require a lot of energy and manpower so for one glass to be recycled forty times that is forty times the pollution of primary manufacture.

This applies for aluminium, plastics, paper and even compost.

Armadillo
 
#9
I don't think that global warming is a myth. The figures speak for themselves, the world is getting warmer, but I'm not altogether convinced that human activity is the sole cause of it.

The Earth's temperature does appear to fluctuate quite a bit, and there have been various theories put forward as to the causes.
 
#10
armadillo said:
You have to sort the glass, manpower vehicle logistics
You have to wash the Glass, remove oils or harmful substances
You have to remove the labels
you have grade the glass by colour and glass type
you have smelt the glass removing the slag
you then have to purify the glass with stabilisers and emulsifiers
you have to cool the glass
you have to store, move and ship the glass

All the above require polluting vehicles, all the stages require a lot of energy and manpower so for one glass to be recycled forty times that is forty times the pollution of primary manufacture.

This applies for aluminium, plastics, paper and even compost.

Armadillo
Well that would be fine if each bottle was broken up and melted each time it was reused. As it is the bottles are cleaned and then refilled.

Costs and pollution are something like 90% LESS than making a new bottle each time (if the recycled bottle makes 25 round trips).

Not got any figures available for aluminium but would have thought that melting down a coke can would have to be cheaper that digging the ore out of the ground and making a can out of it?
 
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armadillo

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#11
I thought you meant bottles that go to a recycling bank, milk bottles oh i miss them were a fantastic idea. Not this plastic rubbish.
 
#12
Armorddildo

Aluminium


Recovery of the metal via recycling has become an important facet of the aluminium industry. Recycling involves melting the scrap, a process that uses only five percent of the energy needed to produce aluminium from ore.[6] Recycling was a low-profile activity until the late 1960s, when the growing use of aluminium beverage cans brought it to the public consciousness

So after 10 min searching your statement is 50% crap.

you win the twat prize today.
 
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armadillo

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#13
I think it is not nice to call people names, what a waste of carbon methinks, Melting the scrap may be less than creating metal out of bauxite and huge amounts of electricity, but you still have to get it from place to place. Found a buliding firm using canals to transport building materials fantastic.

My main point is has global warming become a mouse mistaken for a monster?
 

Flyingrockdj

War Hero
Moderator
#14
A freind of mine is a Met Office boffin and says that Global warming is mostly a matter of opinion, He believes it all bosh and he has studied it non stop since 1988...... Normal temparature variences, wouldnt it be funny if the seasonal temparatures dropped in the next few years!

I believe this is all a grand excuse to raise more tax pounds from an already impoverished population- if its all so bad just ban it all?
 
#15
Steven said:
armadillo said:
You have to sort the glass, manpower vehicle logistics
You have to wash the Glass, remove oils or harmful substances
You have to remove the labels
you have grade the glass by colour and glass type
you have smelt the glass removing the slag
you then have to purify the glass with stabilisers and emulsifiers
you have to cool the glass
you have to store, move and ship the glass

All the above require polluting vehicles, all the stages require a lot of energy and manpower so for one glass to be recycled forty times that is forty times the pollution of primary manufacture.

This applies for aluminium, plastics, paper and even compost.

Armadillo
Well that would be fine if each bottle was broken up and melted each time it was reused. As it is the bottles are cleaned and then refilled.

Costs and pollution are something like 90% LESS than making a new bottle each time (if the recycled bottle makes 25 round trips).

Not got any figures available for aluminium but would have thought that melting down a coke can would have to be cheaper that digging the ore out of the ground and making a can out of it?
If you're talking about deposit bottles (i.e. soda or beer bottles) the yes you are correct Steven. Where I work, we re-use plastic bottles too, (4-5 times on average), and get easily 40-50 uses out of glass bottles.

I think armadillo is partially correct in his assumptions as well though, but he has overestimated/exaggerated the difficulties involved.
 
#16
It's a bloody complicated thing. For example:
After the 3 day grounding of aircraft after 9/11 the average surface temperature of North America increased by about 0.5 degC, because there were no contrails which reflect small amounts of sunlight. Could have been natural variability, but there's no way to know for certain.

On the other hand, in addition to CO2. aircraft emit water vapour into the lower stratosphere. Water is a powerful greehouse gas and meddles with the temperature and chemistry there.

On the other hand again, houses in N. Alaska are falling down because the permafrost that's been solid for hundreds of years is melting. Last year was the first since records began that you couldn't walk on foot all the way to the north pole and back before it had become water again.

Climate change isn't a faith that you 'believe in' or not. Data says we're making a mess of the planet but on the other hand surely there are more immediate issues - famine and disease in Africa, civil unrest in the Middle East, people who buy orange cars (why, why?)?

Can we justify spending a couple of quid extra on our weekly shopping to pay for organic/recycled stuff, when the same amout of money might feed a child for a week?
 
#18
Tartan_Terrier said:
I don't think that global warming is a myth. The figures speak for themselves, the world is getting warmer, but I'm not altogether convinced that human activity is the sole cause of it.

The Earth's temperature does appear to fluctuate quite a bit, and there have been various theories put forward as to the causes.
I read about this recently and was surprised that average global temperatures aren't in fact rising.

This tends to back it up, although I'm sure that there are other reports that say the opposite. Food for thought though.

http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm
 
#19
Awol said:
I read about this recently and was surprised that average global temperatures aren't in fact rising.

http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm
No, they are, honest. If you delve deep on the authors and their previous articles much of their work is funded by a notorious oil company via a lobby group.

It should be stressed though, that whilst some parts of the world are warming, some are cooling.. It's also getting wetter in some places and drier in others. Its a minefield. What matters is where you live. Apparently Linconshire will be under water in 250 years. Poor ol' RAF...
 
#20
Personnaly I'm convinced that blaming global warming on mans exploits can only be pure bollox.
If only for one simple reason, the world warms up and cools down regardless of our activities, or is the internal combustion engine really responsible for the last ice age coming to an end?
Now, my V8 Range Rover is pretty old but I'm sure it hasn't been around that long.
All our emissions pale into insignificance evertime a volcano errupts, cows pollute the world with vast amounts of methane....

Climate change is a fact, but it has been happening long before mankind.

If we really must do something then spend money an alternatives to fossil fuels, taxing us isn't going to help only make us poorer.
 

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