Getting used to tabbing again

#1
Some of you may recall my previous thread which turned into a bit of a slanging match and got binned because of the fact I hadn't done any phys for two years (whilst being a full-time civvy), however I am re-joining the TA inf and still in need of advice.

I have been doing phys again now for nearly 3 weeks and I'm seeing a quick improvement due to the ammount I'm doing (5 times a week for at least an hour a day broke up into 2 sessions).

However I did a 8 mile tab with 25kg and I was a bit slow, finishing in 2:12 whilst going as fast as I could. Before I stopped doing phys I used to tab in my own time well under the CFT time.

The problem was that during the running, I couldn't seem to stretch my legs out and really run, all I could manage was a shuffle. My walking was a bit slow as well.

My question is (serious replies only) what's the best way to get used to running with weight at speed again, should I be doing short tabs with less weight quickly or longer tabs. Should I be building up to a full CFT weight and speed rather than just doing the full weight and distance everytime?
 
#2
Some of you may recall my previous thread which turned into a bit of a slanging match and got binned because of the fact I hadn't done any phys for two years (whilst being a full-time civvy), however I am re-joining the TA inf and still in need of advice.

I have been doing phys again now for nearly 3 weeks and I'm seeing a quick improvement due to the ammount I'm doing.

However I did a 8 mile tab with 25kg and I was a bit slow, finishing in 2:12 whilst going as fast as I could. Before I stopped doing phys I used to tab in my own time well under the CFT time.

The problem was that during the running, I couldn't seem to stretch my legs out and really run, all I could manage was a shuffle. My walking was a bit slow as well.

My question is (serious replies only) what's the best way to get used to running with weight at speed again, should I be doing short tabs with less weight quickly or longer tabs. Should I be building up to a full CFT weight and speed rather than just doing the full weight and distance everytime?
2 years is a long time off. I would say that you need to work up to a full CFT type tab over at least 6 weeks. Start off without the weight and add on as you feel up to it. Wouldn't worry about shuffling, it's the speed off the shuffle that counts. I passed many a CFT that way. In any event Keep going and Good Luck.
 
#4
The problem was that during the running, I couldn't seem to stretch my legs out and really run, all I could manage was a shuffle. My walking was a bit slow as well.

My question is (serious replies only) what's the best way to get used to running with weight at speed again, should I be doing short tabs with less weight quickly or longer tabs. Should I be building up to a full CFT weight and speed rather than just doing the full weight and distance everytime?
The Brecon shuffle is all you need. Just do the shuffle for longer and speed it up a bit. I'm actually too slow at the walking because i can't stretch my legs out far enough so i generally run(shuffle) for a lot of it. When i've had to do the 8 miler we've been given 1:30 target time so we have to run quite a lot of it anyway.

I also personally rarely run with the full weight. You will bugger up your knees eventually. Instead do it with less and make sure your route is hilly.
 
#5
2 years is a long time off. I would say that you need to work up to a full CFT type tab over at least 6 weeks. Start off without the weight and add on as you feel up to it. Wouldn't worry about shuffling, it's the speed off the shuffle that counts. I passed many a CFT that way. In any event Keep going and Good Luck.
I would say so! It felt like an impossible challenge when I first started as I don't think I've ever felt that unfit in my life, but over the past few days it's really started coming together a bit and I feel a lot stronger and have far better cardio.

As for the shuffling, when I was tabbing on my own time, I would often shuffle the whole way round and do the tab very quickly, however when doing it as a squad it always seemed to the the emphasis was on walking very quickly the whole way round, or walking slowly with periods of full on running.

I also used to find the walking quickly with long strides part harder than running.
 
#7
I also personally rarely run with the full weight. You will bugger up your knees eventually. Instead do it with less and make sure your route is hilly.
What weight would you reckon though.

I'm a bit wary about stepping down too much because I served in a corps unit before going Inf and struggled a bit with the extra weight at first.

I have read fitness advice in the past that says your body gets used to doing what you train for, so say if I went down to fifteen, wouldn't that mean that I'd get used to running at fifteen and find it difficult to get back up to 25kg?

I open to the idea of running with less but not sure it would benefit me to tab with less weight for extended periods of time?

Should I drop down to 15 and take it up weekly by 5kg?
 
#9
What weight would you reckon though.

I'm a bit wary about stepping down too much because I served in a corps unit before going Inf and struggled a bit with the extra weight at first.

I have read fitness advice in the past that says your body gets used to doing what you train for, so say if I went down to fifteen, wouldn't that mean that I'd get used to running at fifteen and find it difficult to get back up to 25kg?

I open to the idea of running with less but not sure it would benefit me to tab with less weight for extended periods of time?

Should I drop down to 15 and take it up weekly by 5kg?
My thoughts on this are that it isn't actually necessary to carry the full weight when training. The only reason I do it every now and again is to increase my confidence.

I think it's much better to carry 15kg and go walk uphill a lot. Easier on your knees because you're not pounding your feet into the ground, but you are getting a very good workout on your legs at the same time.

Another method to save your knees would be to stick the full weight on in your living room. Stick the telly on and step up and off a milk crate or similar for 40 minutes.
 
#10
Another method to save your knees would be to stick the full weight on in your living room. Stick the telly on and step up and off a milk crate or similar for 40 minutes.
I did that in afghanistan a few times on an ammo crate, and you're right it was very easy on the knees, I think that's what I'll try, thanks.
 
#11
If I'm honest, no none at all, I have pretty poor flexibility and I've never warmed up and down. But then I've never had any injuries either (though I am now in my 30s so perhaps I should start).

What would you suggest?
Definately stretch out at least.
Get past 30 and gone are the days when you could leap out of the old pit grab a fag and a Herfie mouthwash before belting round the CFT in record time.
 
#14
I would say so! It felt like an impossible challenge when I first started as I don't think I've ever felt that unfit in my life, but over the past few days it's really started coming together a bit and I feel a lot stronger and have far better cardio.

As for the shuffling, when I was tabbing on my own time, I would often shuffle the whole way round and do the tab very quickly, however when doing it as a squad it always seemed to the the emphasis was on walking very quickly the whole way round, or walking slowly with periods of full on running.

I also used to find the walking quickly with long strides part harder than running.



Same here. Being a short arse the walking bit was torture so used to shuffle anyway.
 
#15
Thank's for the good advice lads, You've given me a lot to ponder.

I've learned my lesson and will never let my phys slip again, I'm going back into the TA to hopefully do another tour but I plan to stay in after this time and try and get promotions and courses etc. So I will stay fit!
 
#16
I would break it down over a few weeks or months, using to build up to the weight.

Even build up to running in boots. the reason i think this is because, then it gives your body a chance to build up, and get used to it all.

I would find a route that is 8 mile, and set out to get round in 2 hours with pt kit on for the first week afew times, to get used to the time over distance. then add a little at a time, taking care to maintain the time.

go off somewhere on the weekend for a day and go for a tab, and practice your nav at the same time, or something.

If you take it slower, you can still reach your goal, and give your feet a chance to harden up. If you rush it you're going to #uck yourself up.
 
#17
I would find a route that is 8 mile, and set out to get round in 2 hours with pt kit on for the first week afew times, to get used to the time over distance. then add a little at a time, taking care to maintain the time.
I can suprisingly still run without weight, albiet a lot slower than I used to (I timed 1.5 miles in 10:42 t'other day and I've only ran a maximum of 4 miles at any one time since I started training again). So I wouldn't have any problems maintaining the time with just pt kit. So if I was to walk/jog 8 miles in two hours I'd probably find it too easy to be a valuable cardio session.

Or do you mean to slow down my running/jogging over 8 miles to get used to walking quickly by stretching out my legs?

*edited to make it make sense.
 
#18
If I'm honest, no none at all, I have pretty poor flexibility and I've never warmed up and down. But then I've never had any injuries either (though I am now in my 30s so perhaps I should start).

What would you suggest?
Hip flexors are a big one- allows you to increase the length of your stride
 
#20
At the risk of sounding repetitive its a 2 hour bimble. If you've a good pair of lungs and can smash out a decent steady state run you shouldnt have any dramas. Nice and fast, punchy 4 milers with a bit of weight on got me squared away after being in hospital for ages.

Failing that get on the ephedrine.
Fair comment.

I probably would (finish on-time) tommorow if it was for the embarrasment factor of not wanting to get on the jack wagon with everyone watching.

However, with hoping to get in another herrick and go on PJNCO cadre and the like, it's not a good look to be struggling on a CFT.

I don't know how long the re-joining process could take, could be a month, could be longer, so I want my fitness squared away quick. I like the idea of short fast tabs rather than slower longer tabs, you're probably right about the 4 milers.
 

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