Getting out

Is there anyone who no longer enjoys the army but is staying in just because they are 'scared' as to what lies ahead in civvie street? The amount of people that are going to 'sign off' and then don't is phenomenal. I say, if you're gonna do it, then do it!
All this leads to is an army of people who don't want to be here, thus lowering morale and profesionalism.
Also, the OC's and CO's that fight to keep these reprobates in the Army are equally to blame.

Nuff said.
I take it from your immature comments about the Sgts Mess, that you are jumping ship. If you are, don't forget to turn out the light, and if you are staying in, get a fcuking grip.
I have to say, I tend to agree. Many are doing the same in my unit (I use the term loosely). I wanted to sign off.... so I did!

Just put your underpants on your head and stick two pencils up your nose - that's what we did in the Sudan.
Is it the same 'Tech -Wizard' on this thread talking about retention of reprobates and professionalism as the one on another who seems proud of the fact that he's been in too much trouble to achieve Sgt's Mess status.
Spliff-Boy said:
Is it the same 'Tech -Wizard' on this thread talking about retention of reprobates and professionalism as the one on another who seems proud of the fact that he's been in too much trouble to achieve Sgt's Mess status.
Seems to be the one who spills more shite out of his mouth than an average cow manages to drop out of it's arrse every day :x
ex_sigs said:
He's a tech, so talking shite is part of his job spec
Yawn. Please don't tar us all with the same brush.
timebandit said:
chris951 said:
ex_sigs said:
He's a tech, so talking shite is part of his job spec
Yawn. Please don't tar us all with the same brush.
We'd never tar you with the same brush Chris :p There would be too much to tar
Hee hee Pot/kettle. I'd end up looking like the M25 (but wider)
I can see both sides of the argument having left the army six months ago. I walked straight into employment earning slightly more than I was in the army. Big Deal! What I didn't realise was 1) How much less time I would get to spend at home with my family... 2) How much civvies stab each other in the back (makes LCpl Brownose look like an ordinary decent bloke)... and 3) How much time I would have to spend sat doing 20mph on the M3! The grass isn't greener... it's a kind of shitty brown. I am now swallowing my pride and re-enlisting. You might think this is cowardly but at least I had the balls to get out from under the big green umbrella, then addmit I had made a mistake.
It's easy to see now that civvies all have their own private agenda, where as squadies all have one common goal. I firmly believe that there should be some kind of system in place to educate you about the way civ div is. CTP just doesn't quite do it.
Couldn't hack the Army.. couldn't hack civvie street..have you thought of a career with the clergy?
It's got nothing to do with hacking anything... I was doing well in the army; trade and fizz (unlike many over weight techs with their lamminated biff chits). And as I've already said I landed a great job straight away and have been progressing with that nicely. All have done is realised that the shit I used to whinge about in the Army was mere trivia. I don't regret signing off as I have had to open my eyes to the real world. Now instead of sitting in the Garages whinging about having to sweep it for the fifth time in one day I'll get of my arse and do what anyone in the Army can. Whatever the **** they want... Courses... Adv Trg... Sport etc.
Having said that though your reply doesn't supprise me and I'm sure you won't be the last to say it.
i enjoy the army but it has got to be said that i am apprehensive about civvie street.

for starters a job... for some people its easy to find a job but its going to be hard to compete when your trade skills are machine gunner, or clansman radio operator. i suppose the army is good for management roles, is the crossover for multiple commander any good in civvy st? are there any civvy recognised skills?
for other jobs you have to be an apprentice, not very good pay. not enough to support my next point either.

accom, well living with mother is hardly ideal! and i doubt i could afford to rent a place without a little help.

travel. being in the army your workplace is on your doorstep (well singly it is) in civvie st you may have to travel alot... uk petrol and taxes dont really float my boat. this could be a main factor in choosing a job, limiting your already small amount of choices.

hell i maybe wrong about all this but thats what would be on my mind if i ever did sign off.

its worth noting that out of all my mates who have signed off 80% of them were sure of a sorted out life in civvy street. with jobs lined up and some sort of life plan sorted.

this of course turned out to be lies a year later when every single one of them signed back on. 2 of them begging for a tour to clear thier debts. quite a sobering thought
roadster280 said:
EWK- some excellent points, honestly made.

I'd say that the best thing you can do is start planning for getting out NOW. You may be say 8 yrs into your 22. That leaves only 14 until you are out. Think back 14 years. Not long ago, is it? First thing is housing. BUY A HOUSE WHILE YOU ARE IN THE ARMY. Let some other knob pay the mortgage in the way of rent.

If you are in a dead end trade for civvy street, RETRADE to something marketable.

In my case, it was laughable. I joined an an RTG, and after a couple of years in the field, I thought "this isn't what I want to do for the rest of my ARMY career". So I retraded to Radio Tech. Best move I made in the Army, despite the year at 8 Sigs. Paid dividends when I left. When I did leave, most of the mobile phone companies were taking Ex-R Signals people form just about any vaguely technical trade, ie techs, mechs, lineys, ops.

I was a trade instructor at the School before I left for 3 years, so I moved into instruction. Didnt really matter what trade you had been, as long as you were quick on the uptake, and a good instructor. As time moved on, I moved back into engineering.

I'd say leave for the right reasons. Leave for something positive, not because you don't like the bull$hit in the Corps etc. I have to fill in timesheets every month. Request capital expenditure on the computer system. Get the office manager to book flights, hotels etc. Can't do it myself. There's still bull$hit in civvy street, but it is not in the form of picking up dog ends outside RHQ, nor bulling boots for the Razzer. I too have been to some hot and sandy places, without the benefit of an L85A1. But am I happy? Yes!

Life is what you make it. In or out.
And there you have it EWK. Retrade to tech (if you think you are up to the academic standard). I'm out now earning a decent wage with my pension on top. My mate went RD from tech, left as a WOII(RQMS) and the last I heard, he was driving taxis. Really glad I stayed in trade now, people thought I was crazy to turn mine down......but it worked out very well indeed.
The grass is certainly not that much greener out here. Come back to the United Kingdom , whats new since you left ?
Even more crime , asylum seekers, people on the make, drugs, grime, filthy streets, grafeti,unemployment and oh yeh the average civvy doesn't give a shit that you have been in the army - my advice stay where you are.
As I have made my own choices and not been forced into them, I don't see that I have failed in any aspects of my career. As for your other questions I can only apologise. It seems that I have offended you by mentioning technicians... for this I am sorry. The spelling mistakes I must admit I am shocked at. I suppose I should have proof read my text. Something which I will endeavour to do in the future.
You are right though you get out of life whatever you put in and you have to make your own future. The point I was trying to make though was: Say the comms industry dries up next week, as a civvie you would have to pay to be trained in something else. Whilst carrying out that training you wouldn't be getting paid. Not the case in the Army. Yes the Army is the easy way. But why make life hard for myself? After all sress is a killer!
Glad civvie street is treating you so well. Good luck for whatever other challenges get thrown your way.
I think with any job it all boils down to the people you work with. You may touch lucky and end up working with people you get on well with and will support each other; I have found that in civ-div people are just going through the motions so they can pick up their beer tokens at the end of the week. If you are keen, you will find this aspect very frustrating as you see people take the pi*s and management not doing a jot to sort it out.
I joined civ-div in 1990 and have worked mostly in sales - not recommended if you want a family life...long hours and a boss never happy even if you fill the factory full of orders (excellent pay!). Have recently moved to the NHS and have not looked back! Pay is poor but quality of life has improved no end.
Take a long hard look before signing off....its a big bad world out here!
Good luck
I sacked it after 12 years. Poor promotion prospects, not enjoying it anymore I simply bit the bullet and did it. I don't regret it one bit. The army is not forever, and doing 22 as a lance jack would have

a. Left me with a pension not worth talking about
b. Left me homeless or unable to afford a house
c. Give me a highly reduced life expectancy
d. Left me at an increased risk of getting anything but a menial job in driving

Hanging on hating every minute is simply not an option. If you are intelligent, motivated, reliable and free thinking then civ-div has great rewards to offer, whereas one of those optons will damm you in the army.
Firslty, I'd like to take this opportunity for being such a knob to people, you know who you are.

I left the army having done 7 and a bit years. I was a class 2, yes I admit it, but I failed my entrance (old type) twice. I ended up leaving the army for a number of reasons. Firstly, the way it had changed, even in the short time I served. Secondly and more impoortantly, personal reasons which i'm not going to disclose on here to 'strangers'. I was unemployed for about 4 months before I managed to get a job in a known and respected Mobile Telephone Company. Started off as a contractor, earning pretty much the same as what you do as a class 2 techie, but with obvious expenses.(mortgage, petrol etc) I then moved into salary job and things have been going great from then on. One of the major plus points are the cash bonuses you receive for 'effort'. Whereas in the army your efforts often go unnoticed, although you're led to believe they'renot being overlooked!! Anyway, i'm in no position to give advice but I believe if you start having doubts about your future in the Army, do some civvie street research, see what you could be doing instead. Whatever you do, don't stay in til the 12 year point plodding along because you are just setting yourself back years.

Over and out............................... :oops:

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