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Getting a bit crazy in Ukraine!

#1
Ukraine cities defy poll result

Yushchenko supporters have also been rallying in the city of Lviv
Officials in several Ukrainian cities have refused to accept the outcome of Sunday's presidential election.
Tens of thousands of protesters have rallied to contest the official victory for Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych, amid Western concern over the vote.

Opposition challenger Viktor Yushchenko has told supporters to stage a civil disobedience campaign.

But central security authorities are warning that they are ready to put down any lawlessness "quickly and firmly".

"We appeal to the organisers of mass protests to assume responsibility for their possible consequences," the prosecutor general and the interior ministry said in a statement.

The central electoral commission said that, with more than 99% of the vote counted, Mr Yanukovych had 49.4% support while Mr Yushchenko had 46.7%.

But the opposition says it has recorded many thousands of irregularities in the poll - including very high turnouts in government strongholds.

Mr Yushchenko, seen as the pro-Western candidate, told thousands of people in the capital, Kiev, not to leave their rally "until victory".

"We are launching an organised movement of civil resistance," he said, denouncing what he called the "total falsification" of the vote, which followed days of acrimonious wrangling over the results of the first round.

ELECTION RIVALS

Viktor Yanukovych:
Aged 54
Imprisoned twice in his youth
Former governor of industrial Donetsk region
Raised pensions and public sector pay before election
Would make Russian second official language and allow dual citizenship
Viktor Yushchenko:
Aged 50
An economist and former central banker
Has an American wife
Promises to fight corruption, create five million jobs and pursue free market reforms
Would seek deeper relations with Europe and the West

Kiev city council refused to recognise the results, and urged parliament to follow suit.

Thousands of people also turned onto the streets in the western city of Lviv, where the city council said it would only take orders from Mr Yushchenko.

Three other cities in opposition strongholds in western Ukraine have said they considered the opposition candidate the legal president.

The city councils' move is likely to be seen as a symbolic moral victory for the opposition - although the councils have much less power than the central authorities, observers say.

However, Mr Yanukovych called for national unity and criticised the call for public protests.

"This small group of radicals has taken upon itself the goal of splitting Ukraine," he said in comments reported by AP news agency.

Observers for the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) said Sunday's run-off vote fell far short of European democratic norms.

The organisation, which also reported serious irregularities in the first round, said violations included a continuing "media bias" in favour of Mr Yanukovych and intimidation of observers and voters.

The US' official observer, Senator Richard Lugar, alleged "concerted and forceful" fraud and the EU called on Ukraine to review the election.

However, Moscow, which backed Prime Minister Yanukovych, recognised the result.

Exit polls earlier suggested that Mr Yushchenko had been on course for victory with a lead of at least six percentage points.

His supporters say they do not believe the official turnout figure of 96% in eastern Ukraine.

During the campaign, Mr Yushchenko, prime minister between 1999 and 2001, claimed to have been the victim of intimidation and dirty tricks, including an alleged poisoning attempt.

His critics portray him as an American puppet who will do anything to gain power, including inciting civil unrest.
Does the last sentence remind you of anyone? :twisted:
 
#7
The US' official observer, Senator Richard Lugar, alleged "concerted and forceful" fraud and the EU called on Ukraine to review the election.


A little of the pot calling the kettle black eh :lol: :lol:
 
#8
Seems Putin is trying to re-establish Russian control over the Ukraine. Except this time hidden under the veils of democracy....or something resembling it.......losely...... :roll:...... unlike Stalin, who put a gun to their heads and threatened them with death. Sorry he did didn't he! 20 million or there about starved to death in the name of a greater state :evil:
 
#9
ukiri said:
The US' official observer, Senator Richard Lugar, alleged "concerted and forceful" fraud and the EU called on Ukraine to review the election.


A little of the pot calling the kettle black eh :lol: :lol:
tsk, tsk ukiri
 
#12
Something of a powder keg this one methinks. The pro-Moscow candidate (the chap who has declared victory) wants to bring Ukraine into an effective union with Russia - language, foreign policy etc. There are a number of outsanding problems in Ukraine, namely the status of the one-time Soviet Black Sea Fleet, which has been rusting away in the port of Odessa since the USSR collapsed. The movement for Cossack rights/independence in the Crimea might also give rise to conflict if this pro-Moscow chiseller gets his way.

One thing is for certain - whatever noise the outside world makes, Putin will have his way. Russia will not tolerate a Western-leaning Ukraine.
 
#13
oh bugger we did live fire there years ago .Dont give blair ideas or we may end up there doing it with live enemy .Yank have given ukraines some kit and probably be quite happy to dust off their cold war plans
to put russia in its place .
 
#14
woody said:
oh bugger we did live fire there years ago .Dont give blair ideas or we may end up there doing it with live enemy .Yank have given ukraines some kit and probably be quite happy to dust off their cold war plans
to put russia in its place .
hmmm I may know you then, I was there 3 years ago
 
#15
Despite the brouhaha, its comforting to see ' Democracy in action ' and the protesting and arguing and such going on openly and with international concern and attention..Sure beats the alternatives as typified by Tajikistan and Uzbekistan where the nutters beat the sh*t out of any dissenters and name the days of the week and months of the year after themselves and their ' dear sweet mothers '..
 
#16
Rocketeer said:
Despite the brouhaha, its comforting to see ' Democracy in action ' and the protesting and arguing and such going on openly and with international concern and attention..Sure beats the alternatives as typified by Tajikistan and Uzbekistan where the nutters beat the sh*t out of any dissenters and name the days of the week and months of the year after themselves and their ' dear sweet mothers '..
And have loud speakers installed all over the capital city, so that they can 'speak' to the people 8O

These crazy, mixed up, Eastern Europeans. If it kicks off in Ukraine, which way will all the refugees go?
 
#17
CrapSpy said:
Rocketeer said:
Despite the brouhaha, its comforting to see ' Democracy in action ' and the protesting and arguing and such going on openly and with international concern and attention..Sure beats the alternatives as typified by Tajikistan and Uzbekistan where the nutters beat the sh*t out of any dissenters and name the days of the week and months of the year after themselves and their ' dear sweet mothers '..
And have loud speakers installed all over the capital city, so that they can 'speak' to the people 8O

These crazy, mixed up, Eastern Europeans. If it kicks off in Ukraine, which way will all the refugees go?
Where they always go, HERE :evil:
 
#18
The folk who are organising the "Orange Revolution" in Kiev are organised by the lads who kicked Milosevic out of Serbia, and then went on to do Shevardnadze in Georgia. Note a pattern - nasty-arrse ex-Soviet tyrant gets the boot courtesy of the mob without shooting! Quite a lot of extreme Left people are really pissy about this, by the way - I get the impression they think only they can have revolutions....

Memo to SIS - give Otpor another million quid. They seem to have regime change taped. Damn pretty girls as well.
 
#20
According to a news broadcast I heard earlier this evening there are reports of Russian special forces in eastern Ukraine. Hmmm.....don't know myself, but Putin is certainly capable of something like that. Also, television showed footage of Kiev City Police cadets joining the protesters. We may be nearing the tipping point.
 

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