Get yer lovely new Cold War here.

jarrod248

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Nothing can possibly go wrong, we ought to have some sort of large Army.
Pay your lovely taxes in the race to the bottom, welcome more grotters to the UK. Let us not concern ourselves about where our gas comes from.
Enjoy your lovely new Cold War, nothing can go wrong. Where is the Emperor.


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A poorly thought out argument but I wonder what the UK and USAs response would be if countries like Canada, France ,Holland and Denmark started signing treaties with Russia calling for closer political ties.

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Putin has already asked parliament to rescind his military intervention powers in Ukraine, so he might be backing off.
 

Auld-Yin

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A poorly thought out argument but I wonder what the UK and USAs response would be if countries like Canada, France ,Holland and Denmark started signing treaties with Russia calling for closer political ties.

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and Scotland? :-D
 
The bizarre thing I read yesterday was Hammond stating that people mustn't forget that Russia is still a major military power, when it appears he has... Hey ho. As long as they don't need me as all my kit has shrunk whilst in storage.


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When we do things we do them hastily. So chaps its all dangerous toys in boxes and lets paint and bull the world, this is where the base rats emerge and shiny soldiers emerge!
 
I was going to say Scotland but I'll wait to September to see.

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Just as the Romanians finish clip clopping across the channel we will be ready for a whole new gang. God help us all, we will never retire.


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ericthellama

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Nothing can possibly go wrong, we ought to have some sort of large Army.
Pay your lovely taxes in the race to the bottom, welcome more grotters to the UK. Let us not concern ourselves about where our gas comes from.
Enjoy your lovely new Cold War, nothing can go wrong. Where is the Emperor.

I spotted this too this morning. I take view that the enormous inertia behind the European Project means that this gradual expansion is going to happen anyway, and the trouble it causes is seen as minor collateral damage. The consolidation of a European Federation is something they have realised will take generations, and while you are right to point out the draw-backs, they are all insignificant in the light of the overall Project.

The appointment of Junckers is an obvious reaction. When the proles indicate that they aren't happy with the Project through their pesky democratic system, don't reflect their concern by weakening the undemocratic executive, strengthen it by appointing a more ardently Federalist man at the top to keep it on track.

Weaken national identities by removing borders and allowing the poor to food into the rich countries. Some will work for better wages than they'd ever get at home, while some will seek a more generous welfare system. Sooner or later, we will all have to adopt the same welfare systems or we'll go broke and then we have the nice, comfortable lowest common denominator that you speak of. Uniformity across the Federation will make all those nasty imbalances go away.

Having a bogey man like Putin at the edge of the Federation makes it much more sensible for us to combine our forces into that nice large Army. You only have to look at our shrinking military budgets to see their arguments. When the Ukraine thing first kicked off, I suggested to my Russian customer that they would get Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, leaving the Western bit for Europe and that it was a bit like watching a game whose outcome you already knew, but you had to go through the motions anyway. I bet I'm right.

Without even reaching for the roll of tin-foil, I can say with a straight face that there are much bigger, longer tem plans in motion, which having been set off decades ago, and which still have some decades to run. We probably shouldn't worry about the small stuff, but seek out the bigger picture. The Emperor has been sitting whispering in Brussels for a very long time, and I suspect he'll be there for some time yet.
 
Slight thread drift here, but the Jocks want out of the UK, or at least some of then do, but subsequently wish to be automatically part of a wider federation. Am I missing something here? Why leave one very successful (imho) Union and want to join one despised, and undemocratic?


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jarrod248

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I spotted this too this morning. I take view that the enormous inertia behind the European Project means that this gradual expansion is going to happen anyway, and the trouble it causes is seen as minor collateral damage. The consolidation of a European Federation is something they have realised will take generations, and while you are right to point out the draw-backs, they are all insignificant in the light of the overall Project.

The appointment of Junckers is an obvious reaction. When the proles indicate that they aren't happy with the Project through their pesky democratic system, don't reflect their concern by weakening the undemocratic executive, strengthen it by appointing a more ardently Federalist man at the top to keep it on track.

Weaken national identities by removing borders and allowing the poor to food into the rich countries. Some will work for better wages than they'd ever get at home, while some will seek a more generous welfare system. Sooner or later, we will all have to adopt the same welfare systems or we'll go broke and then we have the nice, comfortable lowest common denominator that you speak of. Uniformity across the Federation will make all those nasty imbalances go away.

Having a bogey man like Putin at the edge of the Federation makes it much more sensible for us to combine our forces into that nice large Army. You only have to look at our shrinking military budgets to see their arguments. When the Ukraine thing first kicked off, I suggested to my Russian customer that they would get Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, leaving the Western bit for Europe and that it was a bit like watching a game whose outcome you already knew, but you had to go through the motions anyway. I bet I'm right.

Without even reaching for the roll of tin-foil, I can say with a straight face that there are much bigger, longer tem plans in motion, which having been set off decades ago, and which still have some decades to run. We probably shouldn't worry about the small stuff, but seek out the bigger picture. The Emperor has been sitting whispering in Brussels for a very long time, and I suspect he'll be there for some time yet.
I bet that nice Mr. Farage will be saying I told you so.
Margaret Thatcher will be spinning in her grave. Let us remind ourselves of her.


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I.A. Dada

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Get that Iron Curtain up again sharpish! And the Berlin Wall; several of them in fact. And while we're at it, either blow up the Channel Tunnel or put a Battalion of Gurkhas in charge of catching illegal immigrants.

A new Cold War is the best way forward.
 

ericthellama

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I've been slapped down a few times for suggesting that 'this isn't what we voted for all those years ago' when actually, the Treaty Of Rome was quite clear. Before we even joined the Project all those years ago, the FCO sent the Government a report on the proposal pointing out that the inevitable result would be loss of sovereignty (it surfaced under the 30 year rule thingy).

To stay on track with the thread, I presume that the absorption of the periphery states will have been part of the ambition at the start. The short term consequences of the upset with Russia is just a blip on the radar and was probably anticipated. Any negative effects will just serve to highlight the need for common policies, shared objectives, strength in the Union etc. It is hard to find clear and objective information regarding the overall plan without being distracted by the urgent rustle of tin-foil, and I blame the UK media for that. Although . . . having read the autobiography of Greg Dyke a few years back, what made the biggest impression on me at the time was the deep and incestuous links between UK politicians and UK media. No surprise there then.
 

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I bet that nice Mr. Farage will be saying I told you so.
Margaret Thatcher will be spinning in her grave. Let us remind ourselves of her.


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She was good wasn't she?
Have you any videos of when she was younger?
 

Gout Man

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Get that Iron Curtain up again sharpish! And the Berlin Wall; several of them in fact. And while we're at it, either blow up the Channel Tunnel or put a Battalion of Gurkhas in charge of catching illegal immigrants.

A new Cold War is the best way forward.
Exactly, and get the bloody navy in the Med to escort all these Africans back to Africa.
And get that Avitar changed, it's bloody creepy especially after yesterday's news.
 

I.A. Dada

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Slight thread drift here, but the Jocks want out of the UK, or at least some of then do, but subsequently wish to be automatically part of a wider federation. Am I missing something here? Why leave one very successful (imho) Union and want to join one despised, and undemocratic?


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It's an emotional thing...
 
This one is even worse.
 

Gout Man

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It's wrong, so wrong!
 

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