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Get that linebelt off, youre a Scaley....

#1
When I received my linebelt I was a very proud young man in my first posting to the real army, and felt that I have really achieved something as there were people who had been in trade for longer than I but still not received this accolade, given to me after a long exercise, and bestowed after some of the senior linemen agree that had earn it!

It was given in the time honoured tradition of going to the bar with the sqn and getting shit faced on all manner of concoctions to the point that stager to the bog is a extreme sport and being struck by the idea that hitting on the GYC bird is a good plan in front of everyone!!

I have worn my belt with pride for a few years now, but since joining the TA some of my current seniors (non combat trade) have told me that I am not allowed to wear it, this first started on a poppy parade which was supported by the argument that they wanted the sqn to all look the same, as I had not been there long I decided to play the game and don a normal green belt. But this evening when I went to work I was told that I was to take it off straight away because I am a scaley not a Liney :shakefist: there was some of the old school teaching that stuck with me that lead me to believe I should bray the cnut but decided better of it!

Thoughts please
 
#2
Fair one re: Remembrance but ...............

if you're a proper liney you'll bray the cnut!
 
#3
linemanloz said:
When I received my linebelt I was a very proud young man in my first posting to the real army, and felt that I have really achieved something as there were people who had been in trade for longer than I but still not received this accolade, given to me after a long exercise, and bestowed after some of the senior linemen agree that had earn it!

It was given in the time honoured tradition of going to the bar with the sqn and getting s*** faced on all manner of concoctions to the point that stager to the bog is a extreme sport and being struck by the idea that hitting on the GYC bird is a good plan in front of everyone!!

I have worn my belt with pride for a few years now, but since joining the TA some of my current seniors (non combat trade) have told me that I am not allowed to wear it, this first started on a poppy parade which was supported by the argument that they wanted the sqn to all look the same, as I had not been there long I decided to play the game and don a normal green belt. But this evening when I went to work I was told that I was to take it off straight away because I am a scaley not a Liney :shakefist: there was some of the old school teaching that stuck with me that lead me to believe I should bray the cnut but decided better of it!

Thoughts please

I just wondered what you meant by this?
 
#5
Seriously though for only one second.
Linemanloz what trade spec are you now.
If not Liney then you have no justification to wear your belt.
On the flip side if you are a liney and have passed all trade specs then mag to grid his teeth.

Check other thread ref belts. http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=57148#1069895

or give General Michael J. Donnelly.KSG.QGM and see if you can borrow his nice "blue" belt instead.
 
#6
Howay_the_Lads said:
linemanloz said:
When I received my linebelt I was a very proud young man in my first posting to the real army, and felt that I have really achieved something as there were people who had been in trade for longer than I but still not received this accolade, given to me after a long exercise, and bestowed after some of the senior linemen agree that had earn it!

It was given in the time honoured tradition of going to the bar with the sqn and getting s*** faced on all manner of concoctions to the point that stager to the bog is a extreme sport and being struck by the idea that hitting on the GYC bird is a good plan in front of everyone!!

I have worn my belt with pride for a few years now, but since joining the TA some of my current seniors (non combat trade) have told me that I am not allowed to wear it, this first started on a poppy parade which was supported by the argument that they wanted the sqn to all look the same, as I had not been there long I decided to play the game and don a normal green belt. But this evening when I went to work I was told that I was to take it off straight away because I am a scaley not a Liney :shakefist: there was some of the old school teaching that stuck with me that lead me to believe I should bray the cnut but decided better of it!

Thoughts please

I just wondered what you meant by this?
I was going to say the same HTL. What the fcuk are you on about combat trade? Did you see some combat? or did you just sit in the line shack eating pies and being 'dead hard'

Combat involves killing people not looking after drums of HF quad.

(Not that I've seen any action mind but the last thing I would call myself is a combat trade)
 
#7
Howay_the_Lads said:
I just wondered what you meant by this?
Royal Signals have what they term as combat and non-combat trades. Dvr Lineman, Rad Op and Dvr Electrician etc would be termed as combat trades whilst Technicians, Telegraphists etc would be non-combat.

Hope this clears it up.
 
#8
Soldier_Why said:
Howay_the_Lads said:
I just wondered what you meant by this?
Royal Signals have what they term as combat and non-combat trades. Dvr Lineman, Rad Op and Dvr Electrician etc would be termed as combat trades whilst Technicians, Telegraphists etc would be non-combat.

Hope this clears it up.
It doesn't - you're about 18 years out of date. CERC changed trade titles from Combat Linemen/Powermen/Radiomen to other things more like the ones you've listed above.

The term 'Combat' rather implied their intellectual level rather than their liklihood to be nearer 'Combat' than the rest.
 
#9
linemanloz - I carried on wearing my line belt when I joined the stabs after 22yrs regs - the belt was never a problem. Being ex regular was! (despite having been a teenage stab in the same squadron).
 
#10
whistler said:
It doesn't - you're about 18 years out of date. CERC changed trade titles from Combat Linemen/Powermen/Radiomen to other things more like the ones you've listed above.
Ok fair enough might not be the current think in naming of trades but I think most people got the point that the belt was given by somebody from a diffrent trade group telling them that they had no right to wear something. I doubt that they would tell someone new in the Sqn to take their wings off because they wern't with an airborne unit?!

They are trying to get me to retrade but at the moment but for the moment I am still listed as a Driver Lineman for my trade.
 
#11
linemanloz said:
whistler said:
It doesn't - you're about 18 years out of date. CERC changed trade titles from Combat Linemen/Powermen/Radiomen to other things more like the ones you've listed above.
Ok fair enough might not be the current think in naming of trades but I think most people got the point that the belt was given by somebody from a diffrent trade group telling them that they had no right to wear something. I doubt that they would tell someone new in the Sqn to take their wings off because they wern't with an airborne unit?!

They are trying to get me to retrade but at the moment but for the moment I am still listed as a Driver Lineman for my trade.
Most people maybe - certainly not Soldier_Why above.

Back to your point , which I hadn't commented on previously, if you're employed as a liney then it's accepted that they wear line belts. Ask your boss to speak to the Corps RSM - he has influence on dress PDs and I'm fairly convinced he'll (I'm assuming it's a he?) should be sympathetic to your cause.

End of the day, if he orders you to remove it then you have to.
 
#12
Im all for traditions and the retention of them - Bring back regimental Baths, drying room interviews and good old knuckle sandwiches :)
 
#13
whistler said:
Soldier_Why said:
Howay_the_Lads said:
I just wondered what you meant by this?
Royal Signals have what they term as combat and non-combat trades. Dvr Lineman, Rad Op and Dvr Electrician etc would be termed as combat trades whilst Technicians, Telegraphists etc would be non-combat.

Hope this clears it up.
It doesn't - you're about 18 years out of date. CERC changed trade titles from Combat Linemen/Powermen/Radiomen to other things more like the ones you've listed above.

The term 'Combat' rather implied their intellectual level rather than their liklihood to be nearer 'Combat' than the rest.
I'm well aware of that, my point was more about the attitudes and thinking of soldiers within the Royal Signals rather than the 'party line' (perhaps I should have emphasised the 'they' in my comment above to clarify this).
 
#14
Soldier_Why said:
Royal Signals have what they term as combat and non-combat trades. Dvr Lineman, Rad Op and Dvr Electrician etc would be termed as combat trades whilst Technicians, Telegraphists etc would be non-combat.
Not sure how driving a vehicle or fixing a generator in Kabul would be rated as 'combat' while the real link det tech stuck in the Sangin Valley would be 'non-combat'. All that 'combat' phraseology is arcane and totally irrelevant these days and only thickos gain satisfaction from calling themselves such.
 
#15
whistler said:
linemanloz said:
whistler said:
It doesn't - you're about 18 years out of date. CERC changed trade titles from Combat Linemen/Powermen/Radiomen to other things more like the ones you've listed above.
Ok fair enough might not be the current think in naming of trades but I think most people got the point that the belt was given by somebody from a diffrent trade group telling them that they had no right to wear something. I doubt that they would tell someone new in the Sqn to take their wings off because they wern't with an airborne unit?!

They are trying to get me to retrade but at the moment but for the moment I am still listed as a Driver Lineman for my trade.
Most people maybe - certainly not Soldier_Why above.

Back to your point , which I hadn't commented on previously, if you're employed as a liney then it's accepted that they wear line belts. Ask your boss to speak to the Corps RSM - he has influence on dress PDs and I'm fairly convinced he'll (I'm assuming it's a he?) should be sympathetic to your cause.

End of the day, if he orders you to remove it then you have to.
I think you may find you'll have to toe the unit line here, I know if Royal Signals or AGC example are attached as supporting troops, they have to wear the same beret/flash etc etc. I agree with whistler though, it's worth checking PDs if it means that much to you.
 
#16
PoisonDwarf said:
Soldier_Why said:
Royal Signals have what they term as combat and non-combat trades. Dvr Lineman, Rad Op and Dvr Electrician etc would be termed as combat trades whilst Technicians, Telegraphists etc would be non-combat.
Not sure how driving a vehicle or fixing a generator in Kabul would be rated as 'combat' while the real link det tech stuck in the Sangin Valley would be 'non-combat'. All that 'combat' phraseology is arcane and totally irrelevant these days and only thickos gain satisfaction from calling themselves such.


Yes the theory of combat trades and non combat trades is archaeic and there is no longer the same naming convention, however to call people who 'gain satifaction' from the title 'thickos' is overstepping the mark somewhat. Think again before you type would be my advice as there a great many out there who were titled as combat tradesmen would happily set you straight on the matter!!!!

unless of course this was a statement purely meant to bait all the 'old sweats' out there, in which case it worked for me!!!
 
#17
plasticbrummy said:
PoisonDwarf said:
Soldier_Why said:
Royal Signals have what they term as combat and non-combat trades. Dvr Lineman, Rad Op and Dvr Electrician etc would be termed as combat trades whilst Technicians, Telegraphists etc would be non-combat.
Not sure how driving a vehicle or fixing a generator in Kabul would be rated as 'combat' while the real link det tech stuck in the Sangin Valley would be 'non-combat'. All that 'combat' phraseology is arcane and totally irrelevant these days and only thickos gain satisfaction from calling themselves such.


Yes the theory of combat trades and non combat trades is archaeic and there is no longer the same naming convention, however to call people who 'gain satifaction' from the title 'thickos' is overstepping the mark somewhat. Think again before you type would be my advice as there a great many out there who were titled as combat tradesmen would happily set you straight on the matter!!!!

unless of course this was a statement purely meant to bait all the 'old sweats' out there, in which case it worked for me!!!
Mate I think you missed PD's key point - THESE DAYS - 'combat' trades IS irrelevant.
SP
 
#18
linemanloz said:
I doubt that they would tell someone new in the Sqn to take their wings off because they wern't with an airborne unit?!
Is the Line Belt a badge/mark of qualification?

I thought that it was meant to be a practical item of clothing only to be worn when employed on line tasks? If that is true then it is nothing like telling a Para to take his wings off, but it would be like telling him to stop walking around camp with his parachute on his back!
 
#19
doomsayer said:
linemanloz said:
I doubt that they would tell someone new in the Sqn to take their wings off because they wern't with an airborne unit?!
Is the Line Belt a badge/mark of qualification?

I thought that it was meant to be a practical item of clothing only to be worn when employed on line tasks? If that is true then it is nothing like telling a Para to take his wings off, but it would be like telling him to stop walking around camp with his parachute on his back!
I have always thought (and I'll happly appologise if I am wrong) that it was the former, in so far as, it can be gained by people from other trades other than linemen, and it is worn as working dress in many areas, e.g. the MT where you may not touch a strand of line but still wear the thing.

Plus many lineys like to wear there belts on the piss, not just to show their trade but identify each other in the punch up. :)
 
#20
I dare you.....wear it!!!!!

Sod all these do gooders with their 'intelect' and their 'knowledge'.... Go on, be a devil.... hehehe
 

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