Germany needs a nuclear arsenal of its own

#1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...27.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/01/27/ixnewstop.html

By Kate Connolly in Berlin
(Filed: 27/01/2006)


A former defence minister has provoked outrage and broken a major taboo by suggesting that Germany should have its own nuclear arsenal

Rupert Scholz argued that Berlin needed to embrace the idea of a nuclear deterrent in the light of threats from terrorists and the Middle East.

"We need to ask ourselves how we could react in an appropriate manner to a nuclear threat from a terror state, and if needs be, even by using our own nuclear weapons," he said.

Mr Scholz, 68, who was the defence minister in Helmut Kohl's government in 1988 and 1989, said he doubted whether other nations' guarantees, made during the Cold War, to keep Germany safe in the face of a nuclear threat, could still be trusted.

"Without the appropriate guarantees of protection by our partners, the question of our own nuclear deterrent needs to be discussed openly," he said.

"I am aware that I am addressing a taboo. But in the light of the dangers that weapons of mass destruction could end up in the hands of terrorists, this is a question which deserves serious debate."

Germany agreed not to develop nuclear weapons after the Second World War in return for protection from the United States and Nato.

Mr Scholz's comments came under attack yesterday.

The security spokesman for the opposition Free Democrats, Rainer Stinner, accused him of "throwing oil on the fire" of the tension between Iran and the West.

Rainer Arnold, the defence spokesman for the Social Democrats, part of the governing coalition, said Mr Scholz's remarks would not be taken seriously.

It looks like everybody want to climb aboard the moonshine wagon now!

How close did the Boche ever get to an actual nuke?

I never knew they wanted one after WW2..
 
#2
Taz_786 said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/27/wgermany27.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/01/27/ixnewstop.html

By Kate Connolly in Berlin
(Filed: 27/01/2006)


A former defence minister has provoked outrage and broken a major taboo by suggesting that Germany should have its own nuclear arsenal

Rupert Scholz argued that Berlin needed to embrace the idea of a nuclear deterrent in the light of threats from terrorists and the Middle East.

"We need to ask ourselves how we could react in an appropriate manner to a nuclear threat from a terror state, and if needs be, even by using our own nuclear weapons," he said.

Mr Scholz, 68, who was the defence minister in Helmut Kohl's government in 1988 and 1989, said he doubted whether other nations' guarantees, made during the Cold War, to keep Germany safe in the face of a nuclear threat, could still be trusted.

"Without the appropriate guarantees of protection by our partners, the question of our own nuclear deterrent needs to be discussed openly," he said.

"I am aware that I am addressing a taboo. But in the light of the dangers that weapons of mass destruction could end up in the hands of terrorists, this is a question which deserves serious debate."

Germany agreed not to develop nuclear weapons after the Second World War in return for protection from the United States and Nato.

Mr Scholz's comments came under attack yesterday.

The security spokesman for the opposition Free Democrats, Rainer Stinner, accused him of "throwing oil on the fire" of the tension between Iran and the West.

Rainer Arnold, the defence spokesman for the Social Democrats, part of the governing coalition, said Mr Scholz's remarks would not be taken seriously.

It looks like everybody want to climb aboard the moonshine wagon now!

How close did the Boche ever get to an actual nuke?

I never knew they wanted one after WW2..
Exclusive- 68yr old bloke who was a minister for 5 minutes, the better part of two decades ago, goes on a ramble.

I bet it raised a few eye-brows among the other people stood in the bus queue. :wink:

It'll never happen. Germany has NATO for that sort of thing and absolutely no desire to increase defence spending on something that is as redundant and expensive as a nuclear weapons programme.
 
#3
Shurely what the EU wants is a EU Nuc and no national toys. Oh plus of course the Seat at the big table to replace Britian and the frogs.
john
 
#4
The Krauts were ahead of the Allies in developing atomic weapons for much of early WW2. They had the knowledge, but a British commando raid on their heavy water manufacturing plant in norway fcuked the entire operation. Good job i suppose.

In fact the russian atomic programme was pretty much based on the germans research.
 
#7
eye_spy said:
Blimey. 8O

Can you imagine the Russian reaction to the Germans having Nukes. 8O
NO, I can't imagine how or why the Russian's may or may not react to a Germany who is armed with nuke's!!??

They may cut the gas supply though. :lol:

Toe
 
#8
It also begs the question where the materials for it are going to come from seeing as the reactors in germany are being shut down due to Schröder giving in to the greens IIRC.

Don't think they have a secret stash of the stuff anywhere and I recon it could be quite pricey to source otherwise...
 
#10
Wouldn't surprise me to find they'd been squirreling it away, like the Japanese....they have nukes too, y'know? We know the specs of their nuclear reactors and how much waste they produce. Japan has no facility like Sellafield 'in country' and thus needs to export its nasty glow-in-the-dark stuff for processing.
However, only a token amount of their plutonium and uranium appears to surface at the reprocessor. Nukes? Probably not. Nuclear components? Almost certainly. The brief of the Jietai (Japanese SDF) is to hold strategic points against an invader for 2 weeks. Why only 2 weeks? The forces the septics could mobilise in time wouldn't amount to much...its so the Japanese eggheads can screw the bits together and fire / drop the bomb on North Korea or whoever else was giving them grief...
 
#11
The Krauts were ahead of the Allies in developing atomic weapons for much of early WW2. They had the knowledge, but a British commando raid on their heavy water manufacturing plant in norway fcuked the entire operation. Good job i suppose.

In fact the russian atomic programme was pretty much based on the germans research.

Nova a PBS series did a special on the commando raid you are talking about. They have a pretty good web site on the whole operation

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/hydro/
 

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#12
jonwilly said:
Shurely what the EU wants is a EU Nuc and no national toys. Oh plus of course the Seat at the big table to replace Britian and the frogs.
john
Can you imagine the launch decision committee -: a massive thermo-nuclear strike inbound to Europe. The committee meets to decide whether to retaliate; the Italians will turn up late, the Belgians will be hiding under the table, and the Austrians will abstain because their neutral. During the pre-meeting meeting to determine procedure the French will walk out because the discussions will take place in English and the Germans will send a Green Party member who'll be complaining that a retaliatory strike will harm the ecology of the enemy. They'll still be arguing about whether to break for lunch or work through when 20 megatonnes of instant sunshine detonates above their heads.

The EU shouldn't be trusted with a rusty penknife
 
#14
Bouillabaisse
You obviously are not use to my sarcastic manner, The EU is an idea of the old socialists to get their party activists running Europe. IMHO.
john
"The EU shouldn't be trusted with a rusty penknife"
How Wucking true.
 
#15
WFR_BOY said:
The Krauts were ahead of the Allies in developing atomic weapons for much of early WW2. They had the knowledge, but a British commando raid on their heavy water manufacturing plant in norway fcuked the entire operation. Good job i suppose.

In fact the russian atomic programme was pretty much based on the germans research.
Just for the record and to stand up for the Fish Heads, it was 9 Norwegians who did the deed. The website link (thanks NEO CON) is excellent, and also describes the subsequent sinking of the "HYDRO" ferry on Lake Tinn the following year. It also goes on to describe the recovery of a drum of Heavy Water, featured in a documentary shown last year.
 
#16
It was actually Kirk Douglass in 'The Heroes of Tellemark".

Of course Germany and Japan could get the Bomb tomorrow if they really wanted - it's 60 yeare old technology, and both have had large civil nuclear industries for decades. The question is, would they want the political and economic fall-out :roll: of becoming declared nuclear powers?
 
#17
With regard to Scholz's ramblings, I wouldn't put too much store in them. He was by far the most inept Defence Minister the Krauts ever had (even worse than Hoon the Goon, and that's saying something!). That's why they dumped him a bit sharpish.
There was a time when I thought the Krauts were actively seeking to produce nukes, or at least lay the foundations for a nuclear industry. However, the fast-breeder they built at Kalkar never went online and they seemed to abandon the prospect after that.

MsG
 
#19
When Germany wanted to raise an Army for defence reasons after WW2,it signed a piece of paper stating that they would never be allowed or want to have nukes.

Rupert Scholz is no dummy, this brain fart of his really surprised a lot of people,the Greens nearly sh*t themselves!

The German Airforce does train with US Nukes,I wonder if any have ever `fallen off the back of a truck`? 8O
 

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