Germans still sulking about ze var!

#4
Re. the rebuilding of the Dresden Cathedral;

Of the project's overall cost of $215 million, roughly $120 million came from donations -- including a sizable amount from the United States and Britain*
 

ugly

LE
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#5
Lets face WSC was quite right, let those who sow reap the whirlwind (apologies if thats wrong) My Grandfather like many of his generation despite never having flown before joining, volunteered to take the fight to the enemy night after cold dark night. Sadly he didnt make it but his sacrifice and those of his comrades means the the sodding Mayor of Dresden isnt hanging from a Lampost with a Traitor to the Reich placard around his neck.
 
#6
I particularly admire the slightly bonkers german anarchist group who threw paper models of lancasters at the commeration of the dresden raids.
:)
who said geramns have no sense of humour
 
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taffy01

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#7
Read a book recently 'tail End Charlies', title's name from memory. The closing chapter, those boys and Harris did not half get shafted when the war ended. Tragic, build it big, build it NOW, although its far to late for the lads who flew and supported them and the families of the day.
 
#9
The men who flew for Bomber Command were real Heroes.I can not imagine how they went to one of the worst front lines night after night for months at a time,coming back if lucky to find which of your comrades bloody awful death or disappearance you didn't see, and then have to go again that night.Few if any of them wanted to do what they did or live with the scars, both Physical and Mental of their service. Any criticism of them by Public figures of the country that caused them to have to do their duty, to protect their home and it's people, is outrageous hypocrisy.
 
#10
So much for, not mentioning the war....... ****ing Germans, they don't know when to **** up after getting there hides tanned.

If you can't take the kicking, don't hit the big boy in the school yard.
 
#11
closing chapter, those boys and Harris did not half get shafted when the war ended. .
They certainly did. Time to redress that national disgrace.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
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#12
Lets face WSC was quite right, let those who sow reap the whirlwind (apologies if thats wrong) My Grandfather like many of his generation despite never having flown before joining, volunteered to take the fight to the enemy night after cold dark night. Sadly he didnt make it but his sacrifice and those of his comrades means the the sodding Mayor of Dresden isnt hanging from a Lampost with a Traitor to the Reich placard around his neck.
That was a 'Bomber' Harris quote.
 
#14
It is always easy to square away the essentially defensive actions of fighter command in the battle of britain as being neccesary, noble and "defensible"... actually that word speaks for a truth greater than itself... but that war could never be won but just defending. britain being an island, and the land forces being in a state of great unpreparedness, air strikes by bombers were the only feasible way of conducting the war.
It is quite impossible to criticise the use of bombers from a present day stance, it all looked way different back then.
when lefty people say "shouldnt the ministry of defence be called the ministry of attack " ... so what.. a fights a fight, sword and sheild their both weapons..
 
#15
So what is she moaning about? It's not like the statue is going to be erected in Dresden is it? :razz:
 
#16
Dresden was bombed 13-15 February 1945; the first time it was hit during the war. The same week that we reached the Rhine and the Yalta conference agreements were publicised. Hardly "the only feasible way of conducting the war" by that point.
point accepted.. my bad as you lot say.. however I would still argue for maximum force from whatever angle untill ceasefire.. not over till the fat lass sings.
 

Travelgall

LE
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#18
I have no idea where this urban myth has grown up about Dresden being a purely civilian part of Germany who concentrated on manufacturing small puppies and lollipops for children. It was a major communications centre, had 110 factories producing equipment for the armies of the Third Reich including a poison gas factory (Chemische Fabric Goye & Co), anti aircraft and field gun factories (Lehman), Optical gun sight factories (Zeiss Ikon AG). It also had barracks, and at least one munitions storage depot. The fact that not many of them were hit is due more to the inaccuracy of the equipment the crabs had to put up with rather than intent.

In short - screw em'.
 
#19
Dresden was bombed 13-15 February 1945; the first time it was hit during the war. The same week that we reached the Rhine and the Yalta conference agreements were publicised. Hardly "the only feasible way of conducting the war" by that point.
I see your point about the war being almost over, but showing couragous restraint isn't really realistic in a fight for national survival, look at operation catapult, thousands of allies killed on the chance that thier boats might end up being used by the enemy, that shows the desperation at the time, to look back on it now and pick apart the morality is just wrong.
 
#20
I seem to recall reading somewhere that the object of saturation bombing in the latter part of the war was because the Allies - especially the US - wanted to ensure that no German came out of the war unscathed. There was a feeling that WWI ending the way it did meant many Germans hadn't really experienced the full consequences of defeat thus making WWII possible barely 20 years later.

And you could say that it worked. Germany and Japan are arguably two of the most pacifist nations on earth now.
 

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